I think it’s just meant that most yoyos fit under that shorthand, loose definition of what is competitive performance for most people. Nobody is going to complain about their yoyo not being able to compete. The only thing they might do is compare performance and have a taste for one over another.
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Truth.
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I have a Beboo L-1 and it was a gift and was suspect at first but the bearing was rough you could see the machine cut marks on the side of the bearing. I changed the bearing to a simple center track bearing and it was a completely legit throw. Only thing with any throw with rims this shape, it may bite you.
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I think in your comparison of boutique companies started by relatively beginner throwers and big manufacturing companies you missed a pretty big point. It’s that the relatively beginner throwers who start such boutique companies play with yoyos, while people in the big manufacturing companies don’t. That in itself makes a huge difference in the quality of the yoyo that is produced, simply because the relatively beginner thrower has far more knowledge about yoyo design and play than the people in big manufacturing companies that have never touched a yoyo. That is why @Glenacius_K would say that companies like Beeboo make good yoyos on accident, they really don’t know what constitutes a yoyo throwers would want to play and for the most part they are just winging it and hoping the result plays well enough. This can’t be said about the relatively beginner yoyoers who start a boutique company. They know exactly what kind of yoyo they want, and how they would want it to play. They understand the importance of various aspects of a yoyo, like stability, speed, weight and so on. They have enough knowledge to know when a yoyo is not up to par, unlike companies like Beeboo who would be none the wiser since they have never touched a yoyo. As such, it makes a lot of sense that even relatively beginner throwers can make yoyos that are so loved by the community, because they understand what the community wants, what they want and how to achieve all of those things. A great example of such yoyos would be the @fatguysnacks247’s PV44 and Project Ti. Manufacturing companies like Beeboo just simply lack the knowledge to do such a thing because they aren’t into yoyos at all.
That said, this also means that you can’t lump Magicyoyo together with companies like Beeboo, because even though Magicyoyo started off similarly (as a big manufacturing company), they now do have a team of highly skilled players that compete who have input on their designs and they have produced signatures for their team members such as Dylan Kowalski. It is why most throwers now would consider Magicyoyo to be in the same league as YYF or maybe even at a higher league. The not so recently released Y03 Hertz is slowly becoming the new N12 Sharks Honor and the Z01 Focus is the go-to recommendation for a budget bimetal (used to be the Magicyoyo Stealth), so I doubt yoyoers think that Magicyoyos aren’t any good.
As such, you’ll find that not a lot of throwers would recommend yoyos from companies like Beeboo because they don’t support the yoyo community (they don’t sponsor contests and players, keep in mind that Magicyoyo does support the yoyo community), their yoyos are hit or miss, and that you can find better options from Magicyoyo that play and feel better in every way. From the comments here, you can see that the community thinks that a few specific Beeboo yoyos are alright, but they have some complains like the rims being too sharp or the bearing and response being not up to par. It shows that such companies are really just winging it and don’t really know what they’re doing when making a yoyo. A relatively beginner thrower starting a boutique yoyo company wouldn’t make such mistakes, and they would extensively playtest and prototype the yoyo to make sure it is up to par, or at least up to their (considerably high, at least in comparison to companies like Beeboo) standards, which is why they are capable of making yoyos that the community loves.
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Yeah, I can see where you’re coming from for sure. However, I personally have no knowledge of whether the guys that design the CAD files for Beboo’s products have thrown yoyos or not. It is quite possible that there is a yoyoer or two involved there. After all, yoyo is a very niche market, it seems unlikely that anyone would get into making precision ball bearing yoyos that didn’t already have some outside interest in it.
You mentioned the PV44 and project Ti. These are awesome examples of what I was mentioning in my first post here. Those yoyos went through a lot of play testing, some of which I was even involved in! The end result was an awesome yoyo that had feedback from a bunch of people on it. Mr. Snacks did not just slap some center weight on his yoyo and call it a day.
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Another couple of fine examples of a yoyo from a boutique company tbat know what they are doin is the Dressel Designs 50/50 and Assassin. They are seriously good.
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That would seem to be the case, but I doubt the yoyo community is the main target audience for such companies. With their low prices, these yoyos are probably aimed at non-yoyoers who are looking to get into yoyo, or are looking to buy one for their kid to play with. While I wouldn’t know if a yoyoer was behind those CAD designs, I’d hazard that there wasn’t, since these yoyos aren’t targeted at the yoyo community. You’ll be surprised at just how popular and how highly rated some of these crappy yoyos are with non-yoyoers who know little about yoyos. Some of the crappier Beeboo yoyos sold in the thousands (Beeboo’s listings on Amazon no longer exists though). One of them, the sidekick pro is extremely expensive ($30 for a crap yoyo) but has still managed to rack up a bunch of sales and a 4 star rating on Amazon. The good thing is that Magicyoyo and Yoyo King (it’s legit, it’s a brand run by another yoyo store owner) is dominating the market and most of these other companies are no longer selling their crappy yoyos on Amazon, which is great.
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Get a beboo if you think it’s funny. You know what you might be in for, so don’t expect more than the amusement.
Also, I have several crap yoyos from when I was a kid, but that never stopped me from having fun with them.
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I’ve always wanted to try both! Maybe I’ll pick one up the next time one of them drops…
I had one the l1 and the dragon one they ok tho good to learn stuff
thank you @Hanker for the compliment. it means a lot to a small group like us 
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