I’m about to recieve a wooly marmot 2.
I was wondering how different it is from the furn. I was looking around on facebook marketplace but couldn’t get my hands on one so i landed on getting a wooly marmot 2 since i thought they were similar.
For anyone who owns both, how different or similar are they from each other.
I would really like to know, thanks!
Obviously, this won’t be the answer you were looking for.
I got a lot of yo-yos, including furns and Marmots.
I could sit around for days comparing hundreds of yo-yos with hundreds of other yo-yos.
Interestingly, those two particular yo-yos are so different. I would never even think of comparing one to the other if I hadn’t seen your post.
I like both of them. But I can’t think of a single thing throwing one that makes me think of throwing the other?
For example, if you throw a certain yo-yo for 10 or 15 minutes and stop just to take a short break… And you think geez this sure reminds me of such such other yo-yo.
I could throw a moment until my hand fell off. I could have a whole lot of thoughts running through my brain. And I highly doubt that one of them would be something like… Geez, just kind of reminds me of a furn, lol
Now that being said, if you’d like variety, both are very good yo-yos for what they are.
If you have no budget… Then you should get both
If you’re on a budget and can only get one get a WM.
If you don’t need another adventure, and you already have a woolly marmot, then you don’t need a Furn.
On the other hand, if you have a Furn, when you can afford it, buy a Marmot.
In simpler terms, if I only had one yo-yo and it was one of those two, I would own the WM. Much better technically performance potential..
The Furn, although a fun little yo-yo is somewhat of a contradiction
What I mean by that is if you see Charles Haycock doing a freestyle with a Furn, you would probably focus more on the yo-yo being a higher performance model, otherwise how could Charles even use it?
The drawback to that rationale is that Charles Haycock place as such a high skill level, that any yo-yo looks better when he’s throwing it. That is not meant as a negative towards that particular yo-yo. It just primarily means that good yo-yos sometimes look like great yo-yos, depending on whose hands are throwing them around.
Charles and Jensen have an interesting and adventurous mindset. The idea behind several of their return tops is very simple. Do not over hot rod a design. Just make it a decent design and the thrower is the one that brings the heat.
Nothing wrong with that. Those two masterminds have cooked up some pretty crazy recipes. In adventure is the spice of life. It is said.
I appreciate the detailed response!
I still hope I could get my hands on the furn one day as it not only looks fun, but it would add to my a-rt yo-yo collection.
I owned a 420 before and liked it a lot, but I regrettably sold it due to some financial struggles.
The only a-rt yo-yos I own now are the sparrow and grail.
I don’t know what your best specs are for a yo-yo…..
But one of the very Best Art designs is a model called the KushionMaxx.
To me, it is just Outstanding.
Very comfortable in the hand… Throws down nice and smooth… No clunk at the bottom of the string… Is very stable… Very long spinning… Loves to stay in plane… It literally floats on the string… Not too light and not too heavy.… Plays light on the string.
I have a 420 and a few inhalers and a golden grail and a few other Grails…. And a few Furns… and a Superman Bricc… B7’s… D7’s… Triptich… In several other of their return tops that I can’t even think of right now?
But I can’t think of a single one that is more fun to play with than the KushionMaxx.
Some of their designs as I have mentioned in a post or two over the last few years are actually deliberately under designed to not have maximum runway and do not have the widths and diameters that some people prefer. They are not in themselves high performance yo-yos. They are designs that Charles and Jensen provide to those willing to challenge themselves in mastering.
Charles will often say in his personal description of the various yo-yos that they are not made with performance of any notable cutting edge features.
Think of it this way… You decide you want to become very very good at throwing knives like the guys at the circus. You know the guys that have the woman lashed to the big wooden disc and it’s spinning in their throwing knives and popping the balloons around her. Those kind of knives. So you decide to go on Amazon and type in throwing knives in the search box. You end up finding a set of six throwing knives that are doubted to be most excellently balanced so that no matter how you throw them they’re gonna stick. So you figure oh boy I got a running start on this. These things are so well balanced all I gotta do is throw it in general direction of the target and when they get there, they’re gonna stick in it.
So you get home and you don’t have a lady to tie a Big wooden wheel, but your neighbor has a big fat thick, beautiful wooden fence. And he’s oft in Europe for six months and you immediately realize that you have a big old target right in your own backyard. So you start wailing away and throwing those suckers at the fence and you can’t make them stick. You stand farther away you stand closer you throw softer you throw harder you try it with each hand you dip them in a bucket of water You pray before each throw… You can’t make them stick
You see a poster down on the corner the next day that says there’s a circus in town down the street from your house. You decide to step up your game by buying a ticket to the circus and finding the guy that throws the knives. You walk up to him with a smile and ask him if he could do you a big favor? He thinks you want his autograph. But you say I got a problem. I wanna learn how to throw knives not to be as good as you but just to be pretty darn good. I bought these knives and the advertisement said that no matter how you throw they’re gonna stick. And I’ve been throwing these things for a week or two, and I can’t get them to stick in anything. I think they’re just jacked up and not worth beans. So you open up the little bag that you have in your hand and you ask him could you please throw these knives and tell me how horrible they are?
He smiles because he’s proud that you recognize that he’s a seriously good night thrower even though you know you’ve never seen a guy before, lol he doesn’t know that he probably figures you’re a big fan.
So he says OK hand them over let’s see what I can do. He separates one from the others, but he doesn’t immediately throw it. He kind of juggles it in his hand. He feels the weight of it in his palm and moves it from tip to handle handled the tip, etc. Then he tosses it up in the air with a little spin and catches it several times. He’s trying to figure out where the perfect balance point is? After a few minutes and he has identified the balance point… From years of throwing knives, he knows where to hold the knife and how to let it go and the amount of power to use. Then he throws all six knives at a big wooden target and everyone sticks solid in about an inch into the wood. They stick so good you walk up to retrieve them and you have to use both hands to pull them out.
You are completely puzzled at how he could just do that. You would’ve thought that at least he would have a little trouble until he figured it out and then the nice would start Sticking.
But there is an old saying that goes there’s no substitute for experience. Anything is easy if you know how.
You can give him a rifle to go hunting and tell him that it doesn’t shoot straight so he might starve if he uses it to bag something to eat. Just to be nice when you sell them the rifle you give him a couple boxes of ammunition because you figure he’s probably gonna need it before he hit something.
So he goes out into the woods and he picks out a target like a big tree trunk. He picks out a spot on the bark and he aims directly for it. The bullet goes high into the left by about 4 inches. He tries another shot and it does the same exact thing. One more shot same thing, high into the left.
So on the fourth shot, he aims low into the right about 4 inches. He pulls a trigger and he hits the spot on the bark dead on the money. Three or four days later when he comes back from the forest, he has enough animal meat to feed everybody in the village for the next 20 years. He simply adapted to the inaccurate nature of the weapon, but the consistency in the inaccuracy. By identifying the problem, he solved the problem.
Charles and Jensen often deliberately make yo-yos that put the player to the test. They’re not meant to be the most stable. They’re not meant to be the longest spinning. They’re not meant to be the best of anything in particular except for one thing. They put you up to the challenge. Whatever limitations are built into the yo-yo you have to overcome them with your problem, solving abilities. They adapt to their designs and make videos that make the yo-yos look incredibly amazing. They don’t do that to fool anybody. They do that because they’re not giving you a hunting rifle that shoots straight. They’re giving you a hunting rifle that you have to learn how to shoot.
Use their last design as a perfect example. The one they just released a few weeks ago. It has an aluminum body and plastic rims. Which is diametrically opposite from how performance yo-yos have evolved. Actually the opposite of rim weight. Kind of makes you wonder? You just a yo-yo design to put maximum room weight towards the outer area of the yo-yo to achieve certain performance parameters. But Charles decided to not give everybody training wheels or the power of flight. He decided to make a yo-yo that looks really nice and feels really nice but you have to provide the juice. It’s ironic that he decided to name the one color way Superman. It’s almost like a misnomer.
Kinda like when you have a giant dog and you name it tiny. Or you have a friend that you really like, but he’s not that bright but you nicknamed him mastermind.
The Furn Is a really fun little yo-yo. But it’s not gonna give you any breaks if you’re looking for a smaller yo-yo That is a miracle performer.
You may not know much about me… What about 20 years ago? I was helping design yo-yo’s for yo-yo jam. My primary focus was to enlighten people to the reality that higher performance yo-yos don’t necessarily have to be bigger in diameter or wider or super heavy or anything of that nature. So when I designed the MiniMotrix and the Mini Motu and the MicroMo, My primary mission was to prove that big performance could come in a small package.
I’m only telling you that because since I spent a lot of time working with smaller yo-yo designs, I can understand and appreciate a smaller yo-yo like the art Furn. It’s a good yo-yo, but it’s definitely not a high-performance yo-yo.
Regardless, is still a lot of fun and will definitely keep you paying attention and I would consider it definitely worth adding to your collection.
I apologize for the length of this message. I probably could’ve cut it in half, But ever since I discovered the curse of talk to text, that’s what I do… I talk and the words come alive.
I’ll let you go now and I’m wishing you the best for you and your family around this time of year. Do something good every day and enjoy your friends and family and let them know how much you love and appreciate them. Because every day and any day is not promised to anybody. I hope you get something good for Christmas or make a great Christmas for somebody else. And if you don’t do Christmas, just enjoy the holidays.
From old Mo
I love and hate you so much old mo.
I loved reading your whole message, especially the analogy with the throwing knives because the funny thing is I actually did try throwing knives when I was younger believe it or not.
Your last paragraph, especially, made me tear up as it kind of made me realize I should think about my loved one, as well as spend more time with them.
These past few weeks have been so stressful for me as I am currently working my way through my university finals, so your words of wisdom gave me not only inspiration but hope for what’s to come and how I could get better at things I’m not.
From Quinton
Obviously for most of us, the stress levels increase around the holidays because there’s so much time taken up by things we have to do and usually not enough time for things we wanna do. So we’re constantly challenged to balance our emotions and focus most of our time and energy on the stuff that has to be done whether we like it or not.
But we have to step back sometimes and take a few minutes to appreciate things that don’t come in boxes and don’t come with ribbons and don’t come with holiday greetings. We got a hold down the negatives for a bit and focus on the positives that we may be blessed with. Our friends, our job, the people around us and a whole lot of other things that make up the puzzle we live in.
The name of the game is to keep your head on straight… Handle business… And survive through the new year so we can start all this all over again. And then just keep doing it until we’re done. If we all try to do something good each day and think about things other than ourselves… Eventually, when we dropped dead we will die smiling
Because the bottom line in life is that no matter what you do you only have two options. You’re either a part of the problem or part of the solution.
Happy holidays
I agree with you about the Kushionmaxxx: for me, it’s also one of A-RT’s best launchers… I had a WM 1 and it’s nothing like the Furn (which is my favorite small-sized A-RT launcher).
They’re two completely different yo-yos; you can’t compare them at all.
What’s a launcher?
Something like a “rocket launcher”!XD
hahaha…
I made a mistake, I meant throw (referring to the yo-yo)
Translator’s fault,you caught me;)
they’re pretty different yoyos. Furn is a lot more nimble, WM2 is a bit beefier on the rims (not to say the WM2 isn’t nimble, it’s still certainly not at contest yoyo levels of rimweight, just more so than the Furn). They use different size bearings which changes how they play a decent amount, also it’s worth considering that since the WM2 fits a size C bearing, if you want to change it out you’ll be more likely to have other bearings to choose from, while the Furn fits a size D bearing which are generally a lot less plentiful. WM2 is more stable and generally spins longer due to the aforementioned rimweight as well as the accommodations made to its profile for reducing string friction, which the Furn does not have. Ultimately I think I prefer the Furn because I like bouncy nimble stuff and I think it feels better in the hand than the WM2 does, but I wouldn’t be surprised if you ended up liking the WM2 more.
Good read, glad I read that all of the way through.
“Launcher” sounds like a great alternative name for a yoyo
