New to the BST and considering to post some yo-yos for trade, just wanted to know what the abbreviation NMBTS
is???
Many Thanks
New to the BST and considering to post some yo-yos for trade, just wanted to know what the abbreviation NMBTS
is???
Many Thanks
Near mint to be safeā¦
All this time I thought it was āNo Marks To Be Seenā!
I learned something new and itās not even noon yet.
Ivan
EDIT: @Yoyotradie Iām assuming itās a typo in your OP and you meant to say āNMTBSā.
The others are right, it means Near Mint, (to be safe)
But I gotta say, i think Near Mint (To be safe) is one of the worst labels on bst. A yoyo is either Mint (meaning no damage whatsoever, as if the yoyo has just been assembled fresh from the factory), or it isnāt mint. Near Mint is fine, it means the yoyo has some very small damage, whether it be pinpricks or tiny dents.
If youāre saying your yoyo is āNear mint to be safeā, what is the goal? Did you not inspect it carefully enough to know exactly whether it is damaged or not? Are you trying to cover your butt when the buyer receives the yoyo and it has more damage than as described? Whenever i read those words, to me it means there is slight damage that the seller isnāt sure if they want to describe, so they add in this caveat, which effectively is meaningless.
Properly inspect your yoyos so the buyer knows what theyāre getting, donāt leave it up in the air. If thereās tiny marks, take photos as best you can. Describe the damage as best you can. Avoid any uncertainty as best you can, and you will do better to ensure both the customer and seller leave the transaction happily.
In my personal opinion a decently played yoyo, with no damage, is no longer mint and falls in this category
I just do whatever it seems like everybody else is doing. Which in this case is using NMTBS to say āit has no damage but itās been played/unscrewed.ā In the past Iāve listed anything Iāve just played with as NM and always get questions asking what the damage is, and when I tell them thereās no damage they just ask āWait so itās mint?ā
Thereās kind of no winning with this since thereās zero standardization in yoyo grading.
Iām used to hobbies where to be mint basically means to be entirely untouched, the moment something is touched it downgrades from mint to near mint. But with yoyos people just use mint to mean no damage, regardless of how long itās been played. Thereās also people who consider just having a yoyo be unscrewed be ādamage.ā
Best practice is just to ask the seller additional questions or for additional pictures if youāre curious as a buyer.
So really, perhaps āNo Marks To Be Seenā is a less ambiguous interpretation than āNear Mint To Be Safeā. Simply means the yoyo has been played but has zero damage or wear visible upon inspection.
Mint, in my mind, is an absolute. It means that itās still in the packaging or at least includes all the packaging and accessories that came with it in undamaged condition. Like new, basically. āNear mintā is really difficult to place.
Ivan
For me personally, if I were to say āmint,ā it would mean a yoyo bought as new that is in exactly the condition I received because I never opened it. Or if opened, I only handled it to inspect and admire, but was never thrown. Iāve never sold one as mint and are skeptical of those who do.
NMTBS (near mint to be safe) would, again just me talking here, would be a yoyo that I have thrown, perhaps extensively, but after careful inspection inside and out, it has zero signs of discernible physical damage. Essentially still mint but used because of pad wear, fingerprints and oils, dust, etc.
Either term, to me, implies no physical damage whatsoever. Where it gets problematic to use these terms is when there is raw metal surfaces, be it just weight rings or full titanium. There will always be machining marks of some kind which some people will flag as damage.
This is Near Mint. No need for safety
Maybe, but some people are just more picky than others (or have sharper vision). A person above said some people care to know if a yoyo has been unscrewed or not, so weāve got all kinds of personalities to deal with.
Itās all subjective at the end of the day. The only opinion that matters ultimately is the buyerās. Itās better to set low expectations and exceed them than vice-versa.
As some have mentioned, there is no grading standard for yoyos and different people have different preferences and tolerances.
I have compiled a handy list hereā¦ ask me about āvibeā next.
Mint:
a. Technically, never handled or removed from the package (possibly even MIP/MIB)
b. Potentially handled and/or lightly played
c. Played over carpet and without rings on
d. Handled and played extensively, but no discernable wear or damage
Near Mint, To Be Safe (NMTBS):
a. I would say this is mint(b or c) but I threw it enough to know itās possible that, despite the fact that I donāt see or feel any damage, it might not be perfect anymore and is only mint(d), so I donāt want to say āmintā and get called out for something I canāt even detect, but I donāt want to downgrade it to NM and take whatever hit to the value that might imply. Like, one time I know I heard it hit my wedding ring or something, but I couldnāt find any flat spots or broken anno anywhereā¦ or maybe that was a different yoyo? Anyway, itās probably fine, you should buy it and play with it.
b. Itās probably mint(b or c) but I canāt be bothered to inspect it closer. I have, like, 20 things to sell and Iām only getting rid of them because I donāt have the time to play anymore/need to pay for my childās kidney transplant, so Iām not going to take the time to break out the jewelerās loupe and the micrometer, be glad I took photos!
Near Mint (NM):
a. Is in mint(b or c) condition except for some kind of wear or minor damage (pictured)
b. Literally unplayable
Beater:
a. NM(a)
b. Was my EDC for a while, lots of scratches, key marks, flat spots, pin pricks, dings
c. More raw metal than anno at this point, be careful how you catch it until those new dings wear down a little
In the collector world, near mint is the best you can expect from something that has been handled at all. It seems they add āto be safeā for you so they donāt have to call it mint and have somebody come back to them complaining that itās not mint, because itās technically not mint even when itās in the exact same shape as when it came out of the box. Basically, they did the same thing you would inevitably do to it and still call it mint, but they canāt call it mint so you donāt feel screwed over.
It is. However unnecessary, the terminology is in use.
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