Second this, some friend of mine not in yoyo but other hobby got false claim on paypal for “not delivering product” because Paypal does not even check/verify address and the buyer just claim they have not received item, this rarely happen but pretty occasionally on high value item (designer stuff, jewelry, etc). I almost fell into one in selling luxury goods couple years back but got some warnings.
G&S sure is safe for buyer but sometimes they do not even listen to seller’s honesty.
You have done nothing wrong except keep it to yourself for too long my friend. You seem like a really nice guy. We should be friends.
Don’t let your wife make you feel embarrassed in any way. Its a item of value that was promised to you and you got boned.
At this point hopefully we can recover your money and hopefully enough of these post will slow people down eventually.
precisely. and in the yoyo hobby it’s not out of the norm to ship to an address that differs from the paypal address… especially when shipping internationally, or using a proxy.
there is not a perfect answer to the problem.
Agree, there is always risk regardless of your position.
Tbh, the yoyo BST-s are already better & more friendly than many others BST I’ve encountered. Actually, the number of flaker higher than scam, to me is still a good thing cuz it cause 0 harm. Otherwise, thing’s been on great side.
I have had many great transactions over all, that is why I had kept quiet for several weeks. I will just be more careful in the future
I guess he just really needs the money and can’t earn enough the honest way? Maybe he’s just got some issues that I shouldn’t speculate about?
It’s hard out there for everyone, some more than others. Just don’t use others to better your own life. Do unto to others as you’d have them do to you or however it goes
Definitely check refs for sure, it will 100% helps, also double, triple check across many platform.
For now, best thing you can do is gather people that has been scammed, get the physical address, full name and call their nearby county police to make report. I am not sure how it works but I just DM you name of a person that can help you since he’s done it before.
Oh I take responsibility for not doing my job as a buyer, I was really just stoked to be buying some sick yo-yos lol
Been thinking about this, I think the fastest, quickest, easiest thing to do is just make the feedback page more readily available, like if a buyer or seller has bought/sold enough to have a feedback page, it should be linked somewhere readily available, possibly the pop over when you click the username.
I imagine it would be pretty easy since there’s already a format that most people follow (usually “{username} Feedback” and it would be pretty easy to get new one’s setup. In the longer short term, might be nice to have a button with a prefilled template if the seller doesn’t yet have a feedback page.
I’m not sure who to ping for this or if these ideas are worth anything, but making it easier for buyers to make better decisions is typically good.
Fwiw, I’d prefer to leave the BST as a more or less free market, ie not automatically restrict or have heavy enforcement of rules, but rather allowing buyers be become more well informed
I do agree, my initial call to demand g&s was reactionary, the BST is a great place and should not have some draconian ruleset placed upon it because some guy duped another guy who wasn’t careful enough. The community here by and large is really the best group of people I have got to talking to on the internet. This is my only social media aside from YouTube videos.
A pinned list of feedback threads would be a good way to increase rep visibility of know good traders.
I still haven’t started my own personal seller/ trader feedback thread because idk if I’m supposed to or wait for one to appear organically? I suppose I should just start one tho lol.
Buyer beware is a thing for a reason. That’s fair to have a harsh reaction, I’d be worried if you didn’t. I’d be PO’d to all heck as well. That said, YYE cannot enforce G&S unless they specifically made a screen just for BST transactions, which requires engineering and also increases liability on YYE’s part. PCI certification is a headache and a half to say the least (personally, I’ve only heard stories, and would love to hear more; Even DMs or a separate post for InfoSec, but I digress)
Assuming they did do that, then they would have to account for all other forms of potential payment and then would have to decided whether or not to support it. But what happens if a seller can’t or won’t use any of the acceptable forms? Either they just won’t sell here or we’ll be right back where we started, going through Paypal directly.
For sure, this forum was one of the most unexpected things to happen to me in the last two years in terms of social media.
I’ve seen people start their own and others starting it for them. If anything if you’re a big seller, and don’t already have one, if anything create one and link it in your selling page. Not only would it help build rep, but I imagine it would be a form of marketing (Note: I’m not a seller, so I speak strictly as a buyer)
All in all, I can appreciate that you had a bad experience and there’s definitely a few people who share a similar experience. But we are a long way from needing to enforce significant, stringent policies on a free market. But that doesn’t mean we can’t help make tools to increase awareness in not only scams but also scammers. Some methods might even invite people to buy/trade more with increased comfort.
~Ahem~
This rule, of course, simply existing is not going to prevent scams–but, YoYoExpert has done all that it needs to do.
That is correct. I didn’t follow that guide line and got burnt
Good news, you can do this today. Users can set a featured topic on their profile so all you have to do is link it yourself:
That’s unnecessary, you can just search the Traders Feedback topic thread titles for their username, ie plug this in the search bar: #buy-sell-trade:traders-feedback in:title <username_to_search>
I’ve spent a bit of time familiarizing myself with that page after all this shook out. Knowledge is power, as they say. I had a few reactionary responses that just with a day of looking closer at what was available to me, I could have likely prevented it all together.
This is exactly what I was thinking. Admittedly, I was thinking there would be a specific line/link just for feedback, maybe with some stats, but this is, exactly what I was talking about.
But further, it would be nice if it was standard, like anyone can just expect to see a feedback link and if not, see a link that says like “Start a feedback thread” or something.
But regardless, yes, this is perfect. With a picture even!
Back in the day (before ~2018) when this forum (and YoYoNation) still ran on SMF there was a trade feedback plug-in loaded that was pretty useful. There used to be (and maybe still is but I’m not seeing it on mobile) a way to view that old data so it seems the foundation is there for a Discourse plugin to be written. It’s open source so “all” it would take is a motivated individual with enough free time and knowledge of Ruby/Rails.
A discoursew plugin was considered but the cost precluded it. What we have is it.
