The philosophy of "trying"

Hello cuties,

I just wanted to write couple of lines about this type of philosophy that I started to use when I was 15 and I was used to do aggressive inline than translated in pretty much in every aspect in my life, it seems very obvious but you can be surprised about how many people do not use a similar approach when learning something.
My classical guitar Maestro later in life showed me the same approach in regard of guitar studies and found out I was already doing it, I felt like had a “confirm” of what I was doing which made me understand that I was in the right path.

Around I see so many people that “give up” on harder tricks or simply tricks that do not come out immediately and they stay stuck always on the same level or the same combos even if they would like to get better.
I know how annoying is not be able to do something, but some stuff obviously require a bit more care and a bit more study to get a proper result, so the easy way to say that is “never give up” but I think I can go a bit more inside than a simple old catch phrase.

When I meet a trick or a combo that I am not able to do instead of give up immediately or get angry and leave it I decide to “try” instead.

The first part of the process is divide the trick/combo in various easier chunk, every trick we do is more or less a series of basic movement that we learn at the beginning, divide the trick in easier and easier section, master every section before move to the next one (in case of a trick, understand the movement, the body position, the finger position, slow mo as much as you can), you need to have the trick clear in your mind and all the basics down your fingers.

Do not even perform it entirely before learn the chunks, master every little chunk that you setup and then slowly slowly start to play the whole combo or trick, if you do a mistake, go back and repeat that part until is in your muscle memory, do not “leave” the mistake thinking that it will “fix itself”, it never work and you will start to feel “tension” when reaching that part, the tension will make you do the mistake.

Once you slowly get the whole combo all together without mistakes than you can work on details as flow and speed that can slowly slowly increase, if you increase speed or flow and start to do mistake, stop and practice that part until the mistake get fixed, do not leave it behind.

This process require obviously lot of patience and dedication but I seen it works all the time and everytime in every side of life.

Always remember when you play to breath properly and do not “shrink” your shoulders, keep your body and your breath as much relaxed as you can, so many people start to take the breath while concentrate or tension the whole body, this will disrupt the flow and will bring you to mistakes, try always to stay as natural and neutral as you can, if you feel like you being tense and keeping your breath, stop immediately, relax and start again slowly slowly your body will learn how to stay relaxed all time while performing.

Never and ever think “it’s too much for me” or “I am not good enough for this” instead with yourself use the words “I can try” and you will see that things are much easier than you think, be brave and do not feel discomfort in what you do not know to do, instead use it as a little challenge and the fun of learn something new.

I believe that talent is about 2% and the rest 98% is hard work to whatever artistic stuff you want to do in your life, I am very sure that everyone has pretty much the same chances to become amazing at something, the only difference is really believe in it or not.

So my friends, when you approach every new trick or every new combo or whatever thing life throw at you use the word “try” and never “I can’t do this”

I leave here a little old picture of me doing an handstand in my hometown skatepartk quarter pipe!

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I have pretty much the same mindset but I call it "Shut up and get it done ". That could apply to work, a degree or anything else.

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The strategy of breaking tricks up into more easily practicable segments is also something which is pretty common when learning fighting game combos.

One thing to keep an eye out for when learning tricks imo is to look for places where the trick goes into a standard mount of some kind. E.g I was learning an old Jensen Kimmitt combo a couple days ago which I broke down into 3 segments:

  • Pt 1 ending in a wrist mount
  • Pt 2 ending in a 1.5 mount
  • Pt 3

It makes learning the whole trick less intimidating and you can practice individual segments to make them smooth more easily. It also helps when creating tricks to try break them down into parts like this as well.

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Dude…

I still go out once or twice a year.

And I agree with what you wrote.

A friend of mine recently went to Japan to train Judo. When he first arrived they ask him why he came.

“To get better at Judo”.

“No no,” they said, “you are already good. You came to get EVEN better”.

I can remind myself some times…I can already do loads of things. But I can learn to do things EVEN better.

And in learning tricks of complicated manouvres (whether it be in Judo, Yoyo, Inline Skating, music or something else)…don’t expect to be able to do everything in one go. Break down, learn parts and remember…

You CAN do this!

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@Albertino
I just can’t do this… it’s too hard… :rofl:
I think for me it has always been more the “shut up and get it done” attitude as well. The facts are…it’s very easy to find reasons NOT to do something. This is being applied to things a person “wants” to do. This attitude is quite often applied though where there is something you really “ don’t want” to do. If it has to be done…it has to be done… so just do it. I’ve literally watched people spend 3-4 times as long complaining about how much it sucks having to do the job, as it took them to actually get it done. Or…you just don’t do it, and push it off on someone else…all the while happily taking pay for doing what you didn’t do.
I’m sorry….you got a minute??:rofl::rofl:

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Pushing myself to learn tricks that are above my skill level has absolutely helped me improve. It can be frustrating and demoralizing sometimes but a positive outlook definitely does help. Once you start landing tricks after trying for literally over 1000 attempts you kind of start to realize that even if it seems ridiculously hard and far away, it’s possible. It also gets easier to push to learn tricks the more you do it as well, which is kind of a bonus and encouraging. But yeah if I never tried, I wouldn’t have progressed. Thanks for sharing your thoughts bro.

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Its always a rewarding feeling when you land that trick you have been working on. Im a noob at yoyo but Iv been learning hidemasa hook for the last week or so. The first day was a mess, and I cant land it as consistantly as I would like but the first time I landed the hook it felt amazing. It gave me the confidence to keep going and learn the next “impossible trick”.

Side note, Iv been playing drums most my life. I found that when I have intentional practice, with no distractions I make much better gains then just putting on some music and jamming along. Theres nothing wrong with casual practice. However, I have found when I really want to learn something turning off the distractions and being intentional with my practice time pays off more than casual practice. I completely agree with the posts about breaking things down into smaller steps as well.

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Chunking and forward-chaining work great for learning almost anything associated with performance.

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Yoyo made me good at everything and can learn things 2x faster than normal person now. All my friends that have yoyoed since they were kids are famous or very successful in a different creative field now. It turn us into professional learners :v:.ʕʘ‿ʘʔ.:v:

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This is very important to progress. I find that with tricks, once it clicks the first time, doing it again becomes super easy. There’s always something, some movement or positioning of your hands that suddenly just makes it click, and often, I find when I quit, I’ll later come back to the trick and realize how close I was to getting it down perfectly. So just keep pushing, one trick at a time. Take breaks, but always come back to the tricks you are struggling with, and your efforts will be rewarded. Remember, if you only do tricks you are already good at, you’ll never improve.

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Great post!

If you let go of your pride and face the problem head-on, that will give you the best chance of learning whatever you are struggling with. That has been my philosophy when approaching 4a.

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Just happened on this thread and it reminded me of Brandon Vu talking about how he spent 8 hours straight trying to do a neck stole and hit it like once.

And that in our hobby we improve so marginally it may feel like we’re not making progress until we keep trying and look back.

Right now I’m working on learning one of the hardest combos I’ve ever tried and I feel like I’ll never get there. But each day a whip gets a little closer, or I hit it without missing just one time.

I look back to even just a few weeks ago when I started learning the 2.5 hook it seemed impossible and I spent hours drenched in sweat trying to hit it.

At one point I legit could barely lift my arms I was trying so much and so hard and now I can hit it like 1 out of every 3-5 tries.

Same thing with the 2.0 hook and beefhook and now I could do it with my eyes closed. But it once seemed absolutely impossible.

But I think that’s what I like about this hobby , and what makes it so impressive. All those amazing players are just years of improving millimeter by millimeter so to speak.

It’s so much harder than people think, but I believe that’s what’s so rewarding about it

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Thank you @Bobparty for bumping this thread, it is a goldmine of motivation/truth I didn’t know existed.

Adding in my two cents, I always remind myself to keep trying and “struggle to the bitter end”. But that came after I stopped caring about succeeding at what I am trying to do. It feels like a lot of pressure is relieved when you stop worrying about if you will succeed or not and just focus on making the actual effort. Once I started obsessing over the actual work and pushing myself endlessly, than I started seeing better results in life overall.

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I’m feeling this pretty hard right now. In 2a, I’m working on transitioning from hop the fence to punching bags. It literally feels impossible, and yet I see others doing it. But then I think about, three weeks ago I couldn’t even do hop the fence and now I’m crossing hands and transitioning. So yeah, you just have to keep trying because a lot of it just clicks one day. Some things are a slow progression and some slap you right in the hot dog holster.

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That’s a good point. It’s in the struggle we find meaning. Not actually getting there

Edit: getting there is really cool to hahaha

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Yeah, it is really cool to get to your goals. But it’s also fulfilling to look back on all the effort you put in and see how it changed you (for the better hopefully lol). I personally think the greatest meaning of effort isn’t what you achieve with it, but what you become from it.

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