So I have 2 yoyos that I play with rn my plastic skill addicts beginner yo-yo(narrow one) and my magic yoyo V12(wide one) now when I do sleepers with both yoyos I throw them differently if that makes sense meaning when I throw my narrow yoyo it naturally sits a little bent in my palm but the wide yo-yo sits almost perfectly straight with my arm tbh it doesn’t really effect anything I think because even when the yo-yo is crooked slightly in my palm before realising it can still become straight. I really wanna get my sleepers consistent so I really wanna ask that does the yo-yo HAVE to be STRAIGHT in my palm or is it ok for it to be slightly bent. And is it that, that matters or the swing motion if your arm? Tbh I’ve delayed practicing tricks as I don’t want to feel like my sleepers are straight cause of luck. I’m looking on becoming good at yoyoing and don’t wanna learn by luck. Sorry for any annoyance.
I have been reading your other thread as well, and I think you are too focused on a smooth throw that doesn’t vibrate, as if that is a foundation that is necessary for doing tricks later. I can’t speak for anyone else, but I have been throwing daily for over 5 years, and I am still trying to consistently throw a sleeper or breakaway that doesn’t wobble. Sometimes they are smooth as glass, and sometimes they vibrate like crazy. If it is wobbling and vibrating, once it gets into the trick, and starts rubbing on the string, the vibration quickly settles out. I think you should hold it in a way that is most comfortable, so that you are holding it exactly the same way every time. The consistency will help you make small adjustments to your throw. You say you don’t want to learn by luck, but it’s not luck. It’s endless repetition. You throw and bind, throw and bind, throw and bind so much, that you begin to feel small variations, and you try small changes to see what works. You are training a different part of your brain. I think one of the most important things to learn when you are starting out are the snap start or some other method of quickly starting the yoyo. The snap start is not as hard as it looks, but like my throw, sometimes is smooth, sometimes wobbles like crazy. Still a work in progress after 5 years. You can bind the yoyo while it is spinning very slowly. The other important thing to learn is how to adjust string tension without removing the string from your finger. I use Dylan Kowalski’s method, he is on YouTube. If you can learn these two things, you never have to take the string off of your finger, and you can cycle through throws much faster. You don’t want to wind the string around and around the yoyo by hand, because it puts a lot of twists on the string, and ruins your neutral tension. Again, it’s all about repetition. You should also totally be working on tricks right now, too. That keeps you motivated and keeps you throwing and binding, throwing and binding. I have been throwing daily for over 5 years, and I am still working on relatively basic trick elements (Magic Drop is hard!). Many are very frustrating to learn, so the more things you are working on, the more choices you have to switch to when you get burnt out on something. The thing that you need to realize is that your throw is never going to be perfect, and your tricks are never going to be perfect, no matter how much you read about technique. I have a few tricks that I can perform “every time”, but most of them, even the tricks I have been doing for a long time are hit and miss. I wish people that put out internet videos would tell you how many tries it took to get a good take!
Myself I just hold the yoyo as I feel comfortable. I’ve had to adapt my grip throwing micro sized yoyos or if I’m throwing 5a. Throwing straight and clean just kind of came as I worked on tricks. Sometimes the yoyo would straighten out during the trick and sometimes I will throw it slightly at an angle deliberately to lock in a thumb grind. Really, I don’t really even think about it.
Some yoyos are more forgiving (wide, low walls) where higher wall narrower yoyos demand a bit more out of the player and will let you know if you’re going off plane during a trick.
Thanks alot honestly my yoyos barely wobble or vibrates it’s just straight ght at a angle. And also the thing is when I use different yoyos my technique of doing sleepers changes. A bigger yo-yo feels more natural and straighter in my hand. A narrow yoyo usually is crooked in my palm before I release it as that’s what I find comfortable l. My question is with any type of yoyo narrow or wide should my form be the same?
I don’t really think about it when I am throwing, but I think I always hold them the same way, regardless of size. With narrower or higher wall yoyos, I think i am more careful when I throw to keep them on plane, but I hold them the same way. If you throw with a consistent tilt, I would think it would be easier to correct it when it lands on the trapeze than to micromanage your throw. In fact, now that I am looking at my own throw, that is what I am doing. I hadn’t really looked at it that way before, but when I throw a breakaway, it lands on the trapeze with the top of the yoyo tilted away from me, but my throw hand is forward quite a bit, so it straightens as soon as it lands. Thank you! That was interesting.
Ok, I just noticed something.
You’ve started another thread about the same subject/problem as your other thread…
Yh so basically in simple when I use my narrow yoyo it naturally sits a little crooked in my hand but when throw it still comes out straight alot of the times. With the wide yo-yo it naturally sits straight so it’s not crooked. This difference is getting me a little frustrated as I don’t want to change my technique per yoyo. Like when I use my narrow yoyo the yo-yo is always crooked slightly before leaving my hand but ends up straight most of the times. But with my wife yoyo it naturally sits straight(not crooked like my narrow one) so it creates frustration. I can just fix this issue by using one yo-yo but I like the 2 I have with me rn. The skill kaddicts beginner yo-yo and the magic yoyo toiponner.
ok i admit i might just be dense, but I’m so confused about what your actual frustration is. it seems like you’re saying you can throw straight mostly but it frustrates you how they sit in your hand before the throw. is that what you’re saying, or are you saying you can throw straight with one and not the other?
you shouldn’t be death fisting it right before you throw it anyway. it’s not important how it’s situated in your hand so much as if its in a parallel plane to your body when you throw
I agree with this 100%. When I throw a breakaway, I am holding the yoyo quite loosely and it’s more of a casual toss to the side. The slinging motion does most of the work. I just hold it naturally and comfortably.
Yh it sounds weird but that’s the problem, but it ain’t word I’m a beginner and it’s just a little weird how my technique changes with different yoyos with my narrow yoyo the yo-yo sits a little crooked but with my wife it sits straighter.
Throughout the history of mankind from the perspective of people that are watching others and learning from themselves as they survive one day at a time, it is undeniably, irrefutably, insurmountably a reality that a very strong point in human behavior is adaptability.
Your mind is your greatest weapon, but if you use it the wrong way, it can be your greatest method to move in the direction of failure.
Anything you do in life you’re either part of the problem or part of the solution. Obviously, every individual can be considered not identical to everybody else on the planet.
I seen people playing some pretty good basketball from wheelchairs. There’s a guy on YouTube that goes to skate parks and skates. Pretty darn well considering he has no legs. If you don’t believe me, look him up. He’s pretty much missing from the belly button down and he has a protective cap at the bottom of his body. He tears it up pretty well. There’s some videos of the Scandinavian girl that was born without arms. She paints using her feet to hold a brush and she’s pretty darn good. How she figured that out? Nobody knows. But one thing we do know as we watch her painting, an image of sorts with the brush held between her toes is that she spent less time, focusing on the comfort factor of gripping a wooden brush handle between her toes and spent more time, focusing on what she was painting because the results were worth the effort.
In your particular instance, you seem to have generated a certain degree of negativity in your preoccupation with the grip factor as you move from one yo-yo to another.
Trust me on this… This has nothing to do with a specific degree of intelligence. In other words, it doesn’t matter whether you’re a genius or whether you’re just not that bright. It has more to do with how willing you are to focus on adapting your grip and your throw to accommodate that variable of how the yo-yos sit in your hand whether they’re narrow or wide.
One of the first ways to solve a problem is to identify the problem. Identifying the problem doesn’t mean 100% that you can or will solve the problem. But identifying the problem is an excellent starting point to move in the right direction towards success.
Right now, the problem is not the wide yo-yo. And the problem is not that narrow yo-yo. And the problem is not your hand. You are creating the problem yourself by refusing to adapt your throw to achieve the proper outcome..
Personally, I was gifted in a way, where I discovered just by happenstance, that I needed to adjust an adapt and put negativity and frustrations to the side as I grew up. Because, even though there are a lot of lefties in the world, there are a lot more right handers. So you find out pretty quick if you’re a left-handed growing up in a right handed world that you have to adapt to so many things you just get used to doing it. You do what it takes to make stuff happen. Sometimes the learning curve is a little longer than your patience. And if that’s the case, one of the first things you have to practice is being more patient..
you can keep this thread going until you get every single person that visits this forum gives you their personal opinion on what you should do. And some of the people so far have given you some excellent suggestions. But your responses mainly indicate that your mind is still stuck on your inability or unwillingness to orient your hand properly to facilitate successfully throwing down narrow and wide yo-yos.
My best suggestion is simple. Absorb some of this great advice the guys are giving you and put it to use. Practice practice and practice. The throw downs may not feel comfortable as you move from the narrow yo-yo to the wide yo-yo but shake it off. subconsciously, your hand wants to help you adapt. But if you keep fighting the possibility of success by being preoccupied with your concern that you can’t believe, how the yo-yo’s sit in your hand differently and cramp your style, then there is a little hope that you’re gonna be able to crack the code for the win.
Besides, the old saying practice makes perfect don’t forget another old saying that goes learn by doing..
Right now you’re stuck in your comfort zone. You can throw one yo-yo good and you hit a mental sticking point because the other yo-yo just doesn’t want to cooperate with your hand on the throwdown. Remember the yo-yos aren’t the problem. Your current inability or willingness to utilize your gift of adaptability… That’s the problem.
I wouldn’t kid you…
Honestly amazing advice I was so do used on reading cause you put it in such a good way honestly thanks you