Location of future WYYC & WYYC in czech republic? (merged)

It’s not gonna happen, they are under contract to have it in FL

If it does move, which I don’t think it will for quite some time, I doubt it would go to Czech.

YYF wasn’t banned from sponsoring. They’ve found other ways to gain better publicity by going around that whole system:

1: Lots of sponsored players
2: Quickly uploading videos to YouTube(regardless of who the player is sponsored by)

So any rumors of banning, as has been told to me by reliable and reputable sources, it a load of crap. It is known that YYF has a beef with Duncan over the whole 5A thing, which is a common excuse.

However, we’ll never get the clear truth, or at least we won’t be able to without diving deep under the skin of this whole yoyo beast, and once we find out what’s beneath the surface, it’s gonna get really unpleasant fast.

The contract is with the event organizers and the hotel. The contract is not with any World yoyo association, because one does not exist.

I won’t go into what I do know in extreme details.

What the yoyo community needs to do is organize a worlds yoyo assocation, get their acts together, stuff the egos on a shelf, stop the politicking and bickering and see about truly working together and moving things massively forward. They have 3 years to get this done. It’s doubtful it will happen. However, once it does, I think the contest needs to move around annually.

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ik, not enough yoyoers in czech, it makes no sense.

I’m not sure that’s true… In fact I’m looking at the back of my program from the contest now and it’s telling me that the next contest will be held at the Rosen Plaza once again (Florida).

Also not true. They’ve chosen not to sponsor the contest.

The twitter feed was pretty tongue in cheek, unless you believe there was a serious lightning risk to competitors :wink: but every pun has some base in truth.

I’m personally a big fan of progress. My first worlds was 98. I saw the Batton passed from 1 organizer to another for the good of yoyo once I’d love to see it happen again. Its pretty evident to all the current contest stopped growing long ago, the chairman barely even still involved in yoyos. This is the first year a schedule has been published 3 years in advance… Evidence of a lack of willingness to work with others?

I know about as much as anyone else through. I really look forward to seeing details as it is important stuff. In the meantime I love the fact this conversation is happening. Regardless of names of events, players will choose where the world champion is crowned. Right now Prague appears to have momentum even without details. If they can inform us more it might galvanize opinion.

Lol, around the system.

Every manufacturer benefited from Yoyofactory NOT sponsoring the event. We make the event credible by supporting players to attend and broadcast videos of the event to over 4million in the last three years alone.

We do more for the contest than pay $3000 to hang a logo on the stage.

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Just a few points that i don’t think have been properly addressed.

  • The majority of Worlds competitors are Americans because Worlds is currently in America, that does not mean the majority of yoyoers are American.
  • The majority of people on this forum are American because this is an English speaking forum, based in America
  • There are more yoyoers in Europe than in the United States, Greg, the Chairman of the current WYYC committee in Orlando has conceded this himself.
  • Worlds being held in Prague would mean EYYC moving elsewhere.

Other than that, staying well clear :slight_smile:

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I am sorry Ben, I do not see your point here. You don’t sponsor contests - so that all other manufacturers can benefit? How …magnanimous.

Curiously, Prague is not in the USA or Germany; the two places that you refuse to sponsor events. At the very least this appears divisive. At the worst; it appears that you are trying to drive a wedge into the World YoyoContest, its organizers and sponsorship - all to the benefit of your marketing plans. This would stink just as much as Duncan’s stance on 5A already stinks.

This is coming from a guy who has been to Prague twice in the past year. The Czech yo-yo community is one of the most amazing groups of people I’ve ever met (Seriously, that’s why I went back a second time). Prague is a city where, on three separate occasions in public, I have befriended a random Czech person because I noticed a yo-yo hanging from their belt. Please do not try to claim that there are ‘not enough’ yo-yoers in the Czech republic, because you have no idea what you’re talking about, and you are wrong. Given the size of the country, relative to the population of the U.S., Prague has a vastly larger yo-yoing community.

Whatever the contest is called, I will be seeing you guys in Prague next year. 8)

Regardless of anyone’s opinions on what is happening or how it’s happening, I think it’s incredibly important that some of you folks understand that the United States is not the center of the known universe, yo-yo-related or otherwise.

The serious player scenes in Europe and Asia are absolutely massive, and if the World YoYo Contest had ever moved to acknowledge that, I can PROMISE you that the list of past champions would look different. There are incredible players all over the world who simply cannot afford to fly to Orlando, Florida to compete.

This notion that a bunch of Americans on an American message board talking about an American contest can somehow use that position to determine that America is the most important country in yo-yoing is rather ludicrous. If you are saying “Well bummer, I can’t afford to fly to Europe for a contest” then you suddenly have an idea of what it feels like to be a player from anywhere other than the US when it’s time to register for Worlds.

A World YoYo Contest should move around the world. Otherwise, it’s just another big American yo-yo contest. The current organizer is uninterested in moving it, incapable of moving it, and has resisted all efforts to move it. The rest of the world (and industry) is tired of this.

Things are definitely not happening in the best way possible, but I can assure you all that the rest of the world should, can, and will have its say on this matter before it’s resolved. Whatever happens, the idea that everything should be decided in America is no longer considered valid or appropriate.

My recommendation to everyone: if you really want to see what yo-yoing is about, get a passport.

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wow, i had no idea! thanks man, i was judging this on what i saw on the number of czech yoyo players on the this forum, and i guess that is not a fair way to guess being this is a vastly American forum. lol, now i want to go to the Czech Republic. :slight_smile:

I have been itching to go to Prague since before I knew anything about yoyoing. I think this is a brilliant excuse to travel the world and gain perspective, not just to yoyo.
Also, i am fairly certain that travel within the European Union is made quite simple. Its like traveling within the 50 states, but in Europe. Thats important to remember when considering whether enough people will be willing to travel internationally. For Europeans, its not a big deal.
That being said, i’m down for whatever. Not that my opinion counts for anything…

While I agree, there’s also some misconceptions going on.

1: Yes, the contest, in order to be a WORLDS contest, needs to be a WORLDS event, which means it’s gonna have to move around. How often? Every year. Where? Anywhere a suitable host city can be selected. It does need to be a different country every year. It may get to the point(maybe not in my lifetime) where it can be a predictable circle. That’s acceptable.

2: The yoyo community isn’t organized and unified enough. Best I can tell, Asia mostly has their act together and Europe seems to be the most organized. It seems the United State is where the issue is. Too much empire building, politics and other non-essential garbage going on. What needs to happen is a single unified body, made up of people from Asia, North America, South America, Europe, Africa(if there’s enough people to justify a committee member or members) and even Australia. This is the weak point.

This “World YoYo Association” would be responsible for selecting the host city from the list of suitable locations petitioning for being awarded the task of hosting the competition. These host cities would have some sort of organization in place and would therefore be completely responsible for organizing the event. The world governing body can place guidelines, such as stage size, things to look for in choosing a venue, room size suggestions, any requirements, and any framework to help things get started and moving in the right direction.

Selection of the host city should be done in a cycle where there is at least 2 years lead. This is for the purpose of preventing future empire building: The current team responsible for running Year 1’s event are doing so knowing that Year 2’s event has already been assigned. It sounds mean, but it’s intentional.

But without true organization, this will all fail or be destructive. That’s the current problem. All other “international” sports have this sort of worldwide organization, including but not limited to bowling, tennis, golf, soccer(football to the rest of the world), rugby, volleyball, boxing, MMA and many others.

No offense implied to the current Worlds Contest organizers/promoters, but they have the place until 2015. He’s already plonking down the dollars and the effort, why not take advantage of it. Use the next 2 years to organize and form a sanctioned and recognized governing body for yoyo. Then, use the first part of year 3 to pick the next 2 host cities, one for 2016 and one for 2017.

The committee may want to have a dedicated member acting as a consultant for the World contest, being a single point of contact for help, questions and bouncing ideas off of, and to get answers from.

3: Costs. Boo-hoo. Can’t make it, well, sorry, that’s how it goes. Yeah, it affects me too. Passport? I can get a passport in 2 weeks, but so can just about any other American citizen. A passport ain’t the issue. It’s travel costs. But that’s MY problem. Costs too much to go where the event is hosted? I guess I can’t go. I’m not a sponsored player so unless I’m being dragged in as a production specialist, my ability or justification to travel is greatly diminished. That’s the price of being a Worlds contest. Sponsored players might be put up by their company. Who knows, maybe national champions might be flown in as representatives of their country and paid for by their government. It’s a lot easier to get national dollars behind running the contest AND sending players out when the whole thing has an international governing body.

Right now, we have a bunch of people not happy with the current system whining and moaning and at the same time trying to undermine the current system and contest. Things aren’t perfect by any stretch. While I don’t have ALL the details to make things happen, I know what needs to be done to make things happen PROPERLY. I’ve also said it many times, but people aren’t gonna listen to me.

Let’s look at a 240 city WORLD tour for music act. How does this crap work? I’ll tell you. Be aware, everyone is in this for money. This ain’t no charity work. I’m also not going to go into all details.

First, the act states an intent to tour, typically to promote a new album, but of course, mainly to make money. Record sales royalties suck, but concerts can rake in big dollars fast, meaning: recording budget paid back faster if so desired, then the over-head being profit and royalties now going back directly to the artist. A few key show days can turn a multi-year payback process into a week’s worth of shows after a rehearsal period.

After announcing an intent to tour, concert promoters in various cities buy and book shows. Dates and scheduling has to evolve, which is tricky at first, but this explains why concerts can be on odd days and why tours seem to make backwards progress at times and the path can be very twisty.The booking agent works with the promoters, providing a layer between the act and the “process”, which is fine.

So, 240 shows means working with a potential 240 concert promoters. Each promoter is responsible for the event they are organizing.

The Olympics(keep it topical) works the same way, except there’s often "national dollars’ pumped into such projects, to the tune of a potential $100billion or more. The IOC awards the hosting city the job. Now, that city has to get it done in 4 years. Granted, it doesn’t take 4 years to organize a yoyo contest, as all details can be handled in a month if done properly, but the concept is no different, just the scale is microscopic in comparison.

Organize, unify and cooperate. Do we think this can happen? CAN this happen? WILL it happen? If this becomes reality, then the World YoYo Contest can become a world event. Until this happens, it’s all a waste of everyone’s time and money.

Let’s use what is in place as a buffer zone to make something bigger and better happen for the world of yoyo. I’m not saying what currently exists is perfect. Between now and 2015, something already exists and is accepted, warts and all. Use this time wisely. Since I don’t compete, this will never really affect me. My services as a production specialist and as an audio professional are available.

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Some valid points, Chris, but you’re forgetting that Greg has had this event for more than a decade and has point-blank refused every single effort to move it, or to form a World YoYo Organization that has any say in the event.

If he was really interested in the well-being of the event, he would have brought in other people to make it better.

The idea that “Well, he’s already booked a hotel that everyone hates through 2015 against the interest of everyone else involved and with no consideration for the rest of the world, so we should just go with that” isn’t really a solution.

We don’t sponsor contests for our reasons, not for other manufacturers benefit. Do our actions benefit others who do sponsor, Yes, reduced competition in the retail setting (i think all manufactures will agree on), we still provide more comprehensive event coverage than just about any brand. If you as a player did not attend the World Yoyo Contest but interacted with it you probably did it through some of our media efforts. There also was not a manufacturer at the event (barring maybe Yomega) who did no utilize one of our strategies for retailing at the event. We showed the way. Its ok they follow and most of them will admit it.

What is good for yoyo is typically good for YoYoFactory. How is this a bad thing? You have to take off your dark glasses for a second here and look from a bigger perspective. Remember, this is not my idea, I have not committed to anything. Does it suit me? Yes, just fine, but it also appears to suit just about every other brand who has agreed to support it, and every other national association who has agreed to support it. You have the people who wrote the rule book supporting it, you have people from every team, on every continent.

Divisive? No, just one of the first to stand up in support.

If nothing else it appears to have the organizers of the event in Florida making more of an effort than ever to make their event better. I have never seen event dates published this far in advance and registration opened so early and with such discounts shows the heat is being felt.

Players, not me, will be the ones who make the decision.

So to answer my question, worlds will be in Florida this year…

sure, there will be a contest.

Will the players, sponsors and judges be there?

Not sure, they could all be in Prague.

Good job moderators keeping this in one logical thread too :-*