Can you drop a link to the latest rules.
I don’t see any for 2024 up yet, I’d assume what you already dropped a link for 2023 is current…
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Maaaaaybe and I’m sure that does happen but I think that would be more rare based on what the Ante ppl were Saying. I do not really know though.
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Here is the link to the WYYC2024 scoring rules. Wording is the same as the above screenshots. Originality appears to have been removed from all scoring metrics.
Thank you for citing an additional source.
Because you seem to be someone who is interested in the particulars , the time has come for a Sherman’s march to the sea.
In our discussion of whether or not new elements are scored more highly during contests, your stance is that they are not.
To support this you cite the various written rules.
-Your argument takes two forms:
1.) In the technical execution category, it is explicitly stated that originality is not scored
2.) Originality is not mentioned in other performance evaluation categories as being important.
My stance is that originality (at least within the last ~5 years) DOES often result in a higher score
-My argument takes one form:
1.) Gentry Stein, Nate Dailey, and a few other Chico regulars as they were preparing for WYYC 2018 and 19, stated that trick and element originality are to be considered when creating a routine, often resulting in higher TE and overall score in finals.
After both arguments were stated:
-Regarding component #1 of your argument:
I noted that the source you cited that explicitly said that originality isn’t scored higher in TE appears to be from the NYYL, not WYYC, which could possibly explain the discrepancy between your information and mine.
Undeterred, you subsequently cited a more recent WYYC source that also says that originality is not factored in TE, eliminating this as possibility for the differences in our information.
-Regarding component #2 of your argument:
To support this, you posted sections of these rules, most of which were relevant, one of which was not. The relevant information presented was that one of the sections of performance evals I mentioned as possibly factoring in originality did not mention originality in its text.
I also suggest that component #2 of your argument does leave room for originality to be important in scoring, even though not explicitly mentioned
Regardless, you have successfully proven that the rules for the competitions that I discussed with players several years ago now state that unusual tricks are not scored higher in the TE category.
This leaves the following possibilities:
1.) I am incorrect on all accounts, and trick originality is, and always has been irrelevant for scoring
2.) My information from 2018/19 was correct, and originality USED to be important, but no longer is
3.) Trick originality, while not explicitly mentioned in perforce evals and said to NOT be important in TE of the 2024 WYYC rules, practically IS still important for scoring based on the way judges score in real life
Assuming that I have a functional memory, either option #2 or #3 is correct.
I will go on record now as proposing that option #3 is closest to reality, not because it would mean I am correct in my original assertion, but more importantly because many of the judges of WYYC now as the same as they were in 2019, and I would be surprised if they score all that differently now than then. Each judge has their own style, which is built up over years of contests and thousands of routine scores.
SO, is it outcome #2, or #3?
The way to answer this is by talking to players and judges TODAY. Feel free to do so, and let us know the outcome if you are so motivated.
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I think #3 may be valid, but according to the strict reading of the scoring rules originality should not matter from what I can tell. This also makes sense in my mind. I see no reason why a trick should be worth more points simply because it’s an original trick.
The only reason I brought it up was because you and @Albertino were telling the OP he should focus on original tricks if he wants have a winning freestyle. I think this is erroneous advice based off the scoring system, or at least it should be if the scoring is done according to how the current rules are written. If it’s required to survey previous judges and players to discover an unwritten scoring advantage through original trick usage then something is wrong with the system imo.
For sure, that makes sense.
Anyway, you want some strings I made? Send me your address and I’ll send you some for free.
I’m interested in seeing what you think of them.
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Omg all what happened from what I wrote!
@TheThrowingGnome I still think originality put you on a different plane if you want to be world champion. Look at every previous world champion, they revolutionised the way to play with what? Originality, not by bringing exactly the “homework” on stage.
Many of those tricks are already becoming stale, the crowd is not anymore excited for a neck stole or the behind the back combo that everyone does.
To be world champion you need something more than that and the past world champions prove it a lot otherwise we will ends up with an amount of player that do the exactly same routine (which is more or less already happening in some ways).
The rules say one thing but on stage you see another otherwise you will find people trying to do only hooks for 3 minutes.
Other than that for originality I mean you can change some of those tricks to make them your own ones.
Those ones below are all examples of “contest” tricks that score well but done with an original take and also with a good performance and showmanship, its a perfect mix that show also the personality of the player, he arrived 1st 100% also for that, have a look at the comment session too
Here the example:
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