Just wanted to update that I did reach out again to @bkemp37 to see if he had changed his mind and wanted to work something out after reading this thread, and how @fradiger had gone through a similar mistake of misidentifying two very similar yo-yos, but making things right when reached out to. Although he did not respond, I’m positive he read this thread, so perhaps he’s thinking of a solution or is hoping things just blow over.
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That’s what a total loser who doesn’t deserve to remain in this community would do. If they had anything good to say, why not say it already to clear things up?
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You’re right, I thought that maybe he would have responded on here or to me after reading this thread and seeing how the right thing to do was to make things right, as his last response was saying that he “didn’t see how this is his fault” so my thought was that if people from the community commented from a non bias perspective maybe he would change his mind and at least work with me to come to a resolution, but sadly it looks like he has no intention to.
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Hot take I guess… But you’ve had the yoyo for 9 months bro. This is a used item. It’s the responsibility of the buyer to make sure they get what they asked for. I would give it a month. Not 9. Sorry.
It would be different if they deliberately tricked you. But even then, if it was me and it took me 9 months to find out, does it really matter at that point? I woke take the L as the buyer.
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As a buyer, you should have made sure the yoyo was right when you got it. I’ve made mistakes before and always try to fix them, but 9 months is insane to expect someone to fix a trade. A week or two, sure. But not 9 months… I don’t think bkemp37 should be held responsible at this point and honestly this put me off of ever wanting to do any trades with the OP.
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Agree.
YoyoExpert has a written return policy for retail that’s 20 days. Most retailers it’s 30-60 days usually. Don’t know why anyone on the forums would abide by anything longer than that for a trade.
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I would generally agree that if you receive the wrong item, you should raise it immediately, but if you have no way of knowing, what then?
If someone sold me an YYF 07 888, but I received a G2 Loadout, I’d probably notice that. If however I received an 08 888, there’s a good chance I wouldn’t know the difference, especially not at first.
While it’s not the sellers fault either, if they genuinely didn’t know it was a D7 rather than a Diptych, it does feel reasonable to simply reverse the trade. For me personally, not wanting to feel or look bad asking for something back from your roommate is a ridiculously weak excuse. Get the chief back, reverse the trade - simple as that.
As far as I’m concerned the timing isn’t really a problem here - the seller made a mistake, and ultimately mislead the recipient. If there was money that’s long gone maybe it’s a different conversation, but all he has to do to make this right is ask for it back from his roommate? No brainer.
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Since timing isn’t an issue and bkemp was misled by the original seller, does that mean bkemp should be asking for compensation? When does it stop?
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Maybe I’m just a skeptic but i have an extremely hard time believing he “gifted” a freaking 28s Chief to his roommate. Generally people who are chasing those throws put in a lot to find them and are just going to be like, “Yo bro i want you to have this this extremely rare sought after yo yo that i spent a bunch of time trying to find so it fit in with my collection.”
So since that is a BS excuse in my mind i wouldn’t trust that there wasn’t some knowledge or at least doubt in the beginning that he was selling the correct throw. Seller should make it right
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Honestly, yes. I think whoever sold the D7 mistakenly should be help accountable. I get going that far back it’s going to be even tougher to get money or yo-yos back from people, but ultimately someone messed up in the first place, and they should be the one on the line, not @One4All
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Truly who should be compensating us for wasting our time with this. Charl WYA?
I would argue it is not a time waster. It’s an ethical dilemma
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dilemmas are hard and are dilemmas for a reason. Imagine trading a really rare yoyo in exhange for something you were mislead by. I agree about it being 9 months, that other yoyo found a placwle to live in and settle into. But the other user didn’t get a fair trade, and had to infact find a scale to confirm it. And an unfair trade by ignorance isn’t a good excuse. Whether or not it’s right or wrong bkemp37 didn’t make a single action to rectify, compensate, or do the right thing. Whether it is right or wrong it leaves a spur taste in many mouths, just like it leaves a sour taste in your mouth for one4all. But blaming him for someone else’s ignorance won’t fix anything. bkemp37 at the very least should try to atleast do something about it, instead of doing nothing.
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I mean in the post it states bkemp tried to seek compensation from the original seller, so it certainly appears that he thinks so..
personally the time frame makes no difference here, OP traded for a diptych, bkemp unknowingly did not fulfill that, therefore the trade should be unwound
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My problem with this thinking is that it took 9 months for OP to become unhappy with the trade… Time frame is always relevant. Neither party knew there was a mistake and both were happy.
Should bkemp reverse the trade? Maybe. He still has everything so it is possible. That’s for him and OP to figure out. Personally, if I were in the OP’s position I’d just take the L for not doing research beforehand. It’s really easy to ask someone to weigh something or buy a $10 scale off Amazon if you are that worried about something.
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Sure, but it was also equally as easy for bkemp to weigh the yoyo and verify it before trading, so you can’t hold that against OP. Considering a yoyo can reasonably last a lifetime and these are highly sought after collectible yoyos that someone could reasonably hold onto for many years, 9 months isn’t even that bad.
I think framing it as “took 9 months for OP to become unhappy with the trade” is a bit disingenuous too because it likely took OP about 30 seconds to become unhappy with the trade once they found out it was a D7..
Trading on these forums isn’t adversarial, you shouldn’t be penalized for taking someone’s description of the yoyo at face value (especially someone like bkemp who has been in the community for a while and built up reputation for fair dealings on the BST).
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They didn’t have a pair of scales when they received the yoyo. Much later they bought a set of scales, measured its weight, and discovered that it was not what they traded for. That’s fair enough. Their life doesn’t revolve around a yoyo that they traded for.
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Apparently it does…
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To be fair it is partially my fault for “not doing enough research” or asking to verify and for trusting someone who has been a part of this community for a long time and who has bought and traded A-rt and Clyw yoyos, to think and believe that they would know what they were trading, so no at the time I had no worries, wasn’t worried, until I weighed it myself on a whim to see how much it weighed compared to my red D7, and if we want to talk about blame on knowing what was being traded and received, the Diptych is closer to a Canvas in weight than to a D7 as well, so the guy who has a bunch of Canvas mistaked a D7 for a Diptych to a guy who didnt have a Canvas, who didnt have a D7 at the time, who didnt have a scale, and took at face value what was being traded to me. So while I do take accountability for making the mistake of not knowing, how am I more to blame on that end than the person who had more ways to verify than I did? So no I wasnt worried which is why it took me months on a whim to weigh and compare it to my D7. Whats more bothering is that there’s an assumption like I wouldnt bring it to the sellers attention had I known at the time. As mentioned above the mistake is between 2 yoyos that are so similar in comparison that I had to find out months later when weighed not yoyos that are easily able to tell apart.
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So, by your own logic, since you took someone at face value they are wrong. But they took the original seller at face value. That makes the OG seller the one truly at fault.
As a collector, it’s super easy to get yoyos confused and I’ve ended up with some G2 that are not what I thought they were because they looked identical, but weighed slightly different (AL6 vs AL7). I didn’t call out the sellers when I found out a year later when relisting them. I learned that I needed to ask to make sure things are what they are. I didn’t own a scale either, but I do now for when people ask me to weigh something because things like this happen. At the end of the day, it’s a toy. An expensive toy, but a toy.
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