About AI Usage

im not arguing power consumption. humans are def more efficient

:laughing: that’s literally what the entire world is calling them including the developers of the technology but you do you boo

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Machine learning is the term that has been in use in the industry for decades.

You are completely right. The more you look into how both the brain and how computers / machine learning works, the more you realize that the two are so so different. For starters, modern CPUs require a clock so that instructions can be processed in lockstep. Meanwhile the human brain operates fully asynchronously without a clock. Neurons are (from my extremely extremely limited understanding) connected to each other and selectively propagate electrical signals to other neurons. The way information is stored and retrieved in the brain I won’t even pretend to know how it works but it sure isn’t in ones and zeros. And comparing the brain to a neural network, there are billions and billions of neurons in the human brain, and each neuron is connected to 10,000 other neurons. Good luck replicating that on modern hardware. Additionally, there’s this element of the human brain where it can form memories and change what is actually being stored in real time and respond to different stimuli. That obviously isn’t a thing with neural networks, they need to have all of the model weights baked in. There is a lot I don’t know but I feel like AGI is just a stupid pipe dream and anyone who believes that it is possible in our lifetimes has been duped. LLMs are basically a high tech cleverbot. You aren’t actually talking to a person with lived experiences or the capability or introspect, you are talking to a computer program that isn’t actually THINKING.

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it’s a term and was coined 4 years after ai. you chose a side…

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Yep!! Computers do literally everything with simplified arithmetic. Imagine having to do hard calculus to feel emotions or recognise your friends and family. And computers aren’t as failure tolerant as us. You can take a bad blow to the head and survive, whereas a CPU would snap in half. Neuroplasticity has no equivalent in CPUs at all.

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What’s fun is we have real life examples already with Anthropic’s Claudius “project vend” who needs silly stories.

Yall can argue up/ down back/ fourth about what’s “smarter” or who’s better or whatever but I’m over here watching the value for the cost make zero sense and know investors won’t wait forever for a payout. Eventually the bill comes due and the bubble pops. Theres no way any of the insane spending on AI is going to create anywhere near the gains needed in the short term to satisfy the markets and the house of cards will tumble hard.

Also AI has a data problem. We hit the data scrapping wall already and training data is sparse and anything “new” is archived hard copies or proprietary and expensive beyond what is reasonable to obtain. This has resulted in most AI training on synthetic data along with whatever folks are actively creating today but AI slop feeding AI slop isn’t going to create less slop…

I genuinely feel we have hit an exponential growth plateau that we will one day get past probably but in the mean time there’s no way the market nor investors will wait for anything less than the promised unsustainable growth that’s been unprecedented so far.

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Not to mention that the insane electricity usage of these bloody things is causing masses of pollution :grimacing:

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These big corporations pay fraud companies for carbon offsets so they can claim to be carbon neutral so it’s all fine…

a concern on the electricity front is the growth of datacenters in the major pop cities around the world means there are bound to be rolling outages and brown outs with the lack of investment in power infrastructure over the decades and inability to keep up and refusal of these companies to enhance the surrounding areas. The mid Atlantic region of the US is projected to see rolling black outs by 2027 at the rate of datacenter growth and lack of electric investment mostly centered around northern Virginia (70% of global internet traffic passes through ashburn Va) the thing is these datacenters can self power for up to a week off generators do they have no concern if they cause issues to the power grid and 2027 is far enough out that it’s not on any investor forecast. Basically no one making decisions cares cause that’s a future problem and lobby hard for more..

It’ll be interesting if the boom or future advances ever results in all these massive facilities one day being obsolete and abandoned. What kind of desolate wasteland would northern Virginia look like after that.

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Well put! All those data-centres will be great horror film sets in a decade lol.

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Let’s not take developers at their word for it… We have a device called a hoverboard which looks absolutely nothing like what we were told it would look like back in 1989

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Not if the robo-AI was organic computer based

The fact that a bunch of doom and gloomers on a toy forum are saying the bubbles about to pop and we will be in a desolate wasteland in a decade tells me to buy all dips and any “crash” will just be correction that should be bought. Thanks for the free alpha.

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Duh, everyone knows you collect these

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Looking forward to the next season of that show.

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This message has appeased the Emperor

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AI, or fungi, genetically modified disease, antibiotic resistant bacteria, nuclear weapons, alien invasions. Extinction events abound but talking about them is fun and cathartic. We live on a thin margin daily anyway. Why not pontificate? It makes for fun reading and great games. The end comes one way or another, but it will be interesting at least!

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sad times, but i still enjoy the ones we got instead. seems we’re just doomed to be earthbound…cant even hover :pleading_face:

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I know someone who likes to say, “teaching sand to do math was a mistake.”

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More like enslaving the 1% of sand tbh

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