WTH IS UP WITH THESE 100-250$ mistakes

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OKAY THIS IS SERIOUSLY STARTING TO JUST REALLY GET ON MY NERVES AND I KNOW FOR A FACT OTHERS OUT THERE CAN RELATE AND AGREE WITH ME HERE.

HOW CAN ALL THESE YO-YO MAKERS CREATE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS SO PERFECT AND BEAUTIFUL ON THE OUTSIDE AND THE THREADS ARE ALWAYS DIRTY AND FEEL LIKE THE METAL HAS BURS IN IT EVERY TIME I TAKE APART A THROW I CAN SEE THE METAL FLAKES ON MY FINGERS FROM THE THREADS. I clean everything EVERYTHING VERY THOROUGHLY AND SOME HOW THE THREADS STILL FLAKE OFF THE ANODIZED BEARING POST HAS PAINT CHIPS COMING OFF LITTLE BY LITTLE AND THE AXLES ARE ALWAYS SO CHEAP AND BEND IF YOU DING YOUR THROW ON THE FLOOR, it can be CARPET AND IT STILL MANAGES TO BEND THE AXLE I ORDERED NEW AXLES AND BEARING FOR ALL MY THROWS AND ALL OF THEM QUIT VIBE AND PLAY DEAD SMOOTH.AGAIN I HAVE THROWS THAT JAVE NEVER TOUCHED ANYTHING AND SOME HOW THE AXLES WHERE STILL SLIGHTY BENT EVEN IF ITS THE SMALLEST BIT YOU FEEL IT.
AND THE GOSH DANG BEARINGS THAT EVERY MAKER BIG AND SMALL SEEMS TO PUT IN THEIR YO-YO’s ARE LITERALLY LIKE THEY ALL OREER FROM THE SAME ■■■■ FACTORY AND WASTE A BEAUTIFUL 200$ PERFECTLY BALANCED THROW WITH THEIR STATE OF THE ART $0.50 CENT BEARINGS THAT COME STOCK IN 99% OF THROWS THE BALLS ARENT POLISHED THE TOLERANCE IN THEM ARE ALL THE SAME FROM 10 DIFFERENT BRANDS SOME HOW EVERY ONE OF THEM HAVE THE EXACT SAME 10 BALL CROWN CAGED FOGGY BALLS IN THE BEARING WITH A MINIMUM OF A 8-10 FOR CLEARANCES AND TOLERANCES AND 10 BEING BAD 1 BEING GOOD… WHAT ARE THE CHANCES THAT EVERY THROW HAS THE EXACT SAME BEARING WHEN COMING FROM COMPLETLEY DIFFERENT MANUFACTURING COMPANIES WHO DONT ASSOCIATE BESIDES USING THIS WEBSITE TO SELL THEIR THROWS. DO ALL YO-yo CREATORS GET TOGETHER AND DECIDE TO ORDER THE 2hittiest BEARING POSSIBLE FOR A WORK OF ART THEY JUST NIGLECT AS LONG AS WE BUY IT… WHATS THE ISSUE ARE ALL CONPANIES CUTTING CORNERS ON ANY POSSIBLE THING THEY CAN TO ENSURE WE THE CONSUMER HAVE TO ORDER THEIR 20$ NSK BEARINGS WHICH ARE THE ONLY ONSS IVE FOUND TO HAVE ALMOST 0 PLAY IN THEM

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Lol ive never bent an axle hitting it on the floor or with my 3a yoyos where i send them straight into each other some times. Youre not wrong about bearings tho. A ton of them just suck terribly.

Haven’t had any yoyos come with like axles stripped and metals shavings falling out or anything like that either. What yoyos specifically have you had problems with?

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Bought the wrong $200 yoyo. try another one.

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Kinda spazzing out a bit, ya think?

…. Regardless to address directly the bearing situation, you need to change your mindset.

If and when you decide to buy an expensive yo-yo recognize that next to the axle, the bearing is the cheapest part of the actual yo-yo. So let’s say for example you buy a yo-yo for $250. The axle might cost a buck if you needed to replace it. Depending on where you buy it of course. The bearing in that $250 yo-yo might just be a 50 Cent bearing. So consider that it is and draw that conclusion before you bounce the big dollars for that expensive yo-yo.

When I say you need to change your mindset, this is what you need to do. Before you push the button and order that yo-yo, go into the accessories area of the store and just buy an NSK or some other bearing that is known to be more often than not pretty good quality

Don’t mentally take the position that the extra cost for that bearing is going to make you feel like you’ve extravagantly wasted your money. On the contrary, the way you have to think of it is that let’s just say the bearing you decide to buy at the time you purchased a yo-yo cost $15

OK, you add that $15 to that $250. So what do you have? You just paid $265 for a yo-yo that’s probably gonna play pretty damn good.

So essentially you’ve paid $15 more to be happy. Now where I live in Southern California, a good pizza cost more than $15. The entire thing has gone in an hour and at the very least you’re probably end up belching up that pepperoni and shaking your head and wonder why you bought a pizza.

On the other hand that $15 bearing that you purchased to upgrade your $250 yo-yo is gonna last you quite some time and will be worth every penny.

In anything you do, you only have two choices to be part of the problem or part of the solution.

So if your original problem is not having a real high-performance yo-yo, you need to solve that by buying a very good quality yo-yo. That good quality yo-yo will be part of the solution. But you know before hand that that good quality yo-yo probably comes with a pretty sucky bearing. You already know this. So, you’ve already been put back in a position of problem-solving. You can take the initiative and solve your own problem by getting a bearing that will be the solution to the problem that you’re gonna purchase.

Typing in all caps, especially in a post that’s almost as long as some of my long winded oratories, it makes no sense at all to even waste your time considering what the mindset of the makers of the yo-yos and or the sellers of the yo-yos are or we’re thinking when they decided to load their fancy yo-yos with crappy bearings.

Playing the blame game will not make your yo-yo play better. You just gotta have the mind of a chess player. The manufacture designs makes equips and sells the yo-yo. Now it’s your move. Think wisely before you move because you can’t take your move back. Just factor the price of a bearing into the price of the yo-yo and don’t consider them different prices added together. Consider the bearing and the yo-yo to just be the cost of the yo-yo on your way to Nirvana.

And after you get the new yo-yo and install the higher performance bearing and enjoy the yo-yo as much as you thought you would, don’t backpedal from there. When you’re hanging out with your yo-yo friends and they say, how do you like your new yo-yo? Don’t put your worst foot forward. Don’t say well I would’ve liked this yo-yo a lot better if I wouldn’t have the bounce for an extra bearing to make it play good. At that point you’re beyond the complaining stage. You should be proud of yourself. You were bold you stepped up to the plate you knew the plan you bought the yo-yo you got the bearing you modeled the yo-yo yourself and now you should be a happy camper. Suck it up and don’t worry about trying to get the manufacturers to get any smarter. That’s not your job. Your job is to complete your mission to get a good plan yo-yo, even if you have to customize it yourself.

It’s all about how you look at it. And if you’re on such a budget that you think I’m crazy for talking you into buying another $15 bearing to go with your $250 yo-yo. Well, I’m not the problem. The problem is if you can’t afford a $15 bearing then you shouldn’t be buying a $250 yo-yo and then crying about it.

I’ve had so many bad bearings in the last 20+ years that I don’t even feel optimistic about getting a new yo-yo with a good bearing in it. I don’t remember the exact quote, but that girl from Spider-Man said if you never expect too much you won’t be disappointed or something like that.

And like I said no matter how fancy the yo-yo is at whatever price point the bearing is always gonna be a lot cheaper to upgrade than buying another yo-yo unless you buy $10 yo-yos which probably come with the same quality bearing lol.

Anyway, the primary reason I responded to your post was because I’m concerned about you

First of all writing long winded posts like mine is not a good look.

Secondly, typing in all caps just to make sure we all hear you is really not a good look

And last, but not least complaining about something that you seem so Upset about, is just stressing yourself out for a problem that is easily solved. It’s easier to change yourself than it is to change other people.

Nothing wrong with complaining about manufacturers screwing things up here and there, but it’d be a lot tougher to make them change then it would be to just solve your own problem.

Remember, I’m only addressing the bearing problem. I’m not addressing anything about metal scraping chips funny actual threads whatever I’ll read your post a couple times and see if I have any other bad advice to give you.

Good luck in the meantime

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:confused: ENERAL YO ATONEMENT - 12mm axle had significant sized chunks of thread all over every time I disassemble any of my throws there’s metal shaving even after deep DEEP CLEANING. Axle was dead smooth SLAMMED IT INTO LIVING ROOM CARPET STARTED TO VIBE COULDN’T FIX IT FOR WEEKS I FINALLY ORDERED A MEW AXLE AND IT WAS DEAD SMOOTH AGAIN THE ORIGINAL AXLE DOESNT EVEN SEEM LIKE ANYTHING IS WRONG IT ROLLS PERFECTLY SMOOTH BUT ILL THROW IT BACK IN AND VIBE MONSTER ALSO BEARING WAS THE USUAL TRASH THAT COMES STOCK IN ANY YOYO.

BRASS EXIA - 10mm axle WAS DEAD SMOOTH BEARING SUCKED LIKE ALWAYS TOOK ME AWHILE TO FINALLY GET IN CLOSE AND EXAMINED EVERY BEARING THAT CAME STOCK I WAS WILDLY DISAPPOINTED BY THE QUALITY OF THEM ALL THE AMOUNT OF SHAVING THAT ARE IN THEM ALL THE SOFTNESS OF THE STEAL BALLS YOU CAN SEE THE LINES FROM THE OUTER RACE DIG THESE PITS INTO ALL THE BALLS ON EVERY BEARING AND ALL OF THE BEARING HAD ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE SMOTHNESS AND FINISH ON THEM AFTER I ORDERED NSK BEARING AND SEEN THE COMPLETE DAMN MIRROR FINISH ON EACH BALL IN THE BEARING AND THE WAY THE CAGE DIDNT HAVE HALF A CENTIMETER OF PLAY AND WAS TIGHT I REALIZED HOW FAR SAVING MONEY IS GOING WEATHER YOU BUY 30$ throw or a 250$ THROW ALL THE BEARINGS ARE THE SAME WTH SENSE IS THAT I HAVE MORE YO-YO’s to write about but I’m already tired of crying I can feel the HATE in the air already for being negative as if EVERYONE HAS TO SAY ONLY GREAT THINGS OR YOU’RE JUST HATING MAKING STUFF UP……:confused:

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I UNDERSTAND DOC OC I already pushed the button and ordered NSK for all my throws I just DONT EXPECT TO SPEND 250$ on a throw and it have the same WACK 2cent -5C tolerance bearing as the 20$ throw I ordered with it lol Im only 2 years and maybe 1,000$ into my Yoyo collecting learning playing and today i woke up and got coffe started throwing a YYF Beyond and I was trying to learn how to play free hand and hit the carpet pretty hard then it came lose i untwisted the 8mm axle and it was wrong tide out and ITS FING STUCKKKKKKKK In there I’ve tried heating cooling torching then ICE pure POWERRRRR and I can’t back it out I just noticed it was slightly bent from the hit it took and the bearing had a bunch of shaving in it idk IGNORE ME ITS BEEN A GOOD MORNING JUST SOMETHING I THINK ABOUT EVERY SINGLE TIME I BLOW 100-200 on. A throw and see it’s the SAME FLIMSY BEARING AND AXLES AND THE CHEAPEST THROWS AVAILABLE

I RESPECT YOUR CRAFT AND WORK THOUGH BTW LOL KEEEP IT UPPPPPPP not to long though 4 hours then you should start to worry

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Lol I’m sorry i just can’t help but lol at the all caps bc it’s so dramatic. I do think there is a convo that needs to be had about bearing quality tho bc a ton of them do just suck or are like good enough but still like i want those bearings blessed by the gods of yo. Even nsks will come like pre seized up sometimes and that’s bs. I dont wanna have to buy 5 bearings to get one super good one. I don’t know i just cleaned a ton of bearings and tested them all and like a few were insanely good a few got thrown out and most were like good enough but demand lube and are just less satisfying to play with. It sucks.

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Yeah i apologize i have AN ISSUE AND AUTOMATICALLY DOUBLE TAP THE CAPS LOCK I TRY typing in lower case and it feels like EVERYTHING IS INVISIBLE it’s a mental thing probably some underlying mental health issue. I’ll keep it in mind i meant no disrespect to anyone at all it was just a topic i wanted to see how everyone else felt about it

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Bearings even “good” ones can suck. It’s the QC that determines if it’s gonna be a good one or not.

Some brands you buy from they throw a few from the batch or they give the yoyo a quick toss and then throw it in the box. Only a few folks really test each bearing before even installing them or give each YoYo’s a really good play test prior to shipping.

You could order all NSK and still get a few sub par in the batch because factory they just aren’t testing every single one. They may be made better but without proper quality control some slip through.

Brands like Hollywood modern but from the factory then individually test the bearings themselves to confirm quality and eat the lose on the many many low quality bearings they get.

The issue is even if the bearing is “made” for yoyo the process at the factory is still commodity. We aren’t nearly a large enough vertical as a hobby to warrant a higher spec or tolerance and generally bearings are made for industrial use primarily and then the “consumer” hobbiest gets whatever the factory has time for. You want better bearings get more YoYo’s being sold and made so that the market is worth making better bearings for.

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The people who really put the time in and are willing to eat the cost are folks like G2 Jake, Ross Levine, Mark from MK1 and a handful of others. You won’t get that from yoyofactory and it shows.

I’m kind of surprised on the exia but like you said it’s a bearing issue and honestly environmental issues can impact a bearing too like humidity, shipping or it just sitting in a cold warehouse for a while at a reseller.

All that said just buy bulk or already tested bearings and your golden. I promise ordering a batch of bearings from hollywood modern will make you feel better lol

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Thats literally what depression mind is. Never expecting something good, to proetect your feelings and in the end you can’t feel anything at all. Sorry Doc dogshit advice. Be Sad, when you are sad, so you can be happy when you are happy.

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Doing better than me I reckon, I’m only 2 months in and almost 3x that amount with accessories considered. :man_shrugging:

There is a spot on my workbench dedicated to bearings, removing shields, changing cages, and cleaning bearings, even swapping balls. It is what it is. I’ve ordered cheap Chinese bearings from Amazon that have better spin time than yoyo manufacturer bearings.

As far as threads you may need to be careful with how tight you’re twisting your halves together. Also with ano coming off the post, you have to understand that with ano it may add some diameter to the pin that may cause it to tightly fit the bearing. Which to be honest is what you want. Bearings should have preload from being snug on a shaft.

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Sounds like you may be opening your yoyos too often

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Only thing I miss about New England is good cheap pizza.

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This is an enthuasiast forum, so being anal about yoyos is more than expected. But $3000 for yoyoing in one year? What the hell are you doing? It looks and feels to me like a big loss in judgement. How many of those dollars are spent for zero gain? Zero more fun? Zero more performance? I know it means a lot to people here. But waht is happeniong to you.

Reminds me of my fellow sportshooters, who buy a new rifle every year, just to end up in the same local league like me, with my 50year old Karabiner. The tool has to fit the craftsman. Having top gear will not make you better.

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In addition to this, the size of yo yo bearings are some of the smallest available sizes in the catalog of roller bearings. To make sub 1/16" balls you’re talking tolerances on roundness in the .0001" same with pretty much any component of the bearing. Even with good quality control there are tolerances for a reason. Maybe in time perfect bearings will be cheap.

If you were to take apart a bearing and put all ten balls between to perfectly flat pieces of material you’d probably find a couple will slip out because they are not all perfectly the same size.

I’ve disassembled bearings and found one in particular that instead of being 1/16" balls was smaller but larger than 1.5mm. They were about .0003" smaller. The bearing worked fine on its own but putting 1/16" caused it to bind and putting 1.5mm caused it axial slop. I ended up using 5 1/16" in a 10 ball cage and it ended up working fine, even better than the same bearings original 10 ball config.

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I bought some expensive throws lol some Ti. I have the income to match so it’s not like I’m going broke. I have over 30 throws.

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Good point. For the force these tiny, massproduced things have to take in a yoyo, I am very impressed they hold up.

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I understand. Nice flex.

Do you also compete? Or is it more about the engineering?

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I also want to take a second to explain preload of bearings to people who may not understand why you would want a bearing tight to a shaft.

When you spin an unloaded bearing there may be a slight gap between the races and the balls causing the balls to slip instead of spin, creating more friction. Having a bearing inner race expanded by .00005-.0001" from being tight to a shaft will cause the balls to make better contact between the two races and insure they are all rolling and not slipping.

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