Ive tried tricks above my level. I can’t do them. When I practice my more advanced skills for a while, I can eventually land them, but I don’t have a lot of yoyo time, so progression takes longer for me. I wish I could yoyo at your level; I just can’t yet. And I don’t feel bad about it, but good for you.
Honestly this was the trick I had my eyes on when yoyoing for a long time, and it is a satisfying feeling to finally have figured it out. But I wont have mastered it until I can do it with a fixie. Im not ready yet. Challenge yourself, learn it with a responsive yoyo.
Maybe I should insert quotes from Kung Fu masters and philosophers that assert that working hard and gaining skill are more worthwhile ventures than the pursuit of material possessions at the end of each one of my posts.
Well first off, I’ve slowed down on learning new tricks because I’m lazy.
Secondly, all my non-yoyo friends (which is to say, all my friends) already think I’m some kind of yoyo god already because I can do the zipper and the matrix. Where do I go from god-status? (I mean let’s face it, a lot of the fun of yoyoing is showing off tricks so when there’s nobody better than you in your little circle…:P)
Seriously though, while in reality I still work to learn a new trick each time I’ve “mastered” the previous one, I would progress a lot faster if it weren’t for the above reasons.
4 things to remember from this thread : 1. People have different interests within yoyoing. Some people want to collect, others want to compete, others want a way to blow of steam, others want to have more clicks on their videos, and some people just like getting packages in the mail. Just do what makes you happy.
2. When you hit a 1a wall start 0a
3. spirit bomb is controversial, choose your side as this will probably bring on world war III
4. This is the internet, no matter what your opinion is, it’s wrong
I agree with some of that but this thread is different. Its not about getting better or not learning a new trick. Its about the various reasons that one might stop learning new tricks which would obviously be different reasons for different people. One might stop because they know so many tricks that now they just explore what they can do with them (which is still learning) one might have a great time doing skin the gerbil and other tricks don’t appeal to them, one might need a little more help learning. I just think the different reasons why one might stop learning is very interesting and could cause great discussion… Which it seems this thread has done if you read all of the comments. I hope you have a blessed day and keep on being great
I’m pretty sure I just have straight up ADHD. I start learning a new trick frequently, I just rarely make it to the end. Although I suppose learning the start various tricks means I’m still learning something
In my mind I break down the process of incorporating a trick into my repertoire into three basic phases:
Learning a new trick
Practicing for consistency
Doing/using the trick post-mastery (in combos, for instance)
There is a small rush of enjoyment and satisfaction at the end of phase 1 when you’ve landed a new trick, not accidentally but completely purposefully and under control, at least a couple of times. After which you are now in phase 2, which is the least fun for me. Phase 3 is where the trick gets fun again because now I’m using it creatively and I’m not concerned with whether or not I’ll land the trick; I am confident that I will (99% of the time).
A trick that I find myself spending too much time in phase 1 or 2 isn’t contributing any fun to my yoyoing experience as a whole, and I will often abandon it until a later time (if ever). I used to have the philosophy of Never Give Up on a trick, but some tricks I find just aren’t worth grinding out in phase 2 for all eternity.
I haven’t read through all the replies here yet, so apologies if this has been said already. But how do you know I haven’t tried?
What you’re saying is, everyone who says “I don’t care about improving beyond my current level” just hasn’t tried, and that it would take ten minutes a day to progress beyond that. What about people who have tried, and decided it wasn’t worthwhile? Or people who don’t get it as quickly as you do, so ten minutes a day doesn’t make as big of a difference as you claim?
I used to yoyo way more than I do now. I used to push hard and try to constantly get better. And for a while it was fun. Then I started hitting intermediate level, where it got less fun. And I tried to improve, but tricks got hard and I decided it wasn’t worth it. I still learn a trick once in a while, heck I spent an hour earlier today figuring out a trick from a video @x0mb sent me this morning, but I would definitely say I’m in the camp of “fine with where I’m at, not concerned with improving thanks.”
Seems like you aren’t allowing room to even consider people like me who DID try to improve, hit a wall, and decided they wanted to just have fun with a hobby rather than force themselves to turn it into work. I’m sure you get a lot of enjoyment from working to get better every day, but it doesn’t help anyone to say “Just try the apple, you’ll love it! If you don’t love it that’s just because you haven’t tried it!” Yes, I tried it, and didn’t love it.
Edit: reading more replies, looks like things got a little heated after the post I’m responding to so I just want to say, I don’t mean this as accusatory or trying to start something. Just explaining my thoughts in relation to that post.
A good point, but (predictably haha) I’m going to disagree with it a certain amount.
Perhaps I should have specified more. By “the apple” I meant getting a better amount of control over the yoyo. Not having to think so much about whether you’re going to hit your tricks, just being able to enjoy mastery over this object in your hands. I personally love this feeling when yo-yoing to music, but that’s just me.
I didn’t mean try practicing yo-yoing at all. Because you’re right, I’m not going to 100% grantee that you’ll get a reward as soon as you put in consistent effort. I’m talking about the results themselves.
The process itself might become more rewarding as you get more skill to help you along the way, but what I was referring to in the post was not just starting out, but actually getting there. I personally love the process, but I am arguing that said process is not so long and arduous as to make it not worth it to go through to get more skill. Even if you aren’t completely in love with it yourself.
Admittedly “getting there” is a super vague term, but I’d be happy to discuss that if you’d like.
A side point, if you’re putting in consistent time, and not seeing any results, or slower ones than you’d like, I’m sure there are a number of people (myself included) who would like nothing better than to help you in anyway they can to progress faster. Anything from the trick you’re working on, to the yoyo you’re using, to how you’re practicing could be slowing you down.
I’d argue I have pretty solid control over the yoyo. Particularly with the limited number of tricks I throw, because I’ve done them hundreds or thousands of times now. I know where the yoyo is going to go when I do a trick. And I thoroughly enjoy that. Why would I want to expand into tricks I don’t know, thus taking away that feeling of fun and zen when I land a trick I know and enjoy?
“Worth it” is entirely 100% subjective. For example, if someone said it’s not worth it for them to spend five minutes learning a trick, they would be right, because they determine what is worthwhile in their own life. You say you enjoy the process, and in the same sentence say the process is worth it. So to me that feels like you’re admitting your own bias, then trying to apply it to all the yoyoers who have said they don’t share that bias.
What I was saying was I enjoy the process now, because it goes much more easily and quickly. I benefit from the work I have put in. I did not always enjoy the process in this way. My rationale is not “I enjoy the process, so you should too.” Thats not it at all.
Like I said, when I was at the stage of my yo-yoing that we are both discussing, I did not enjoy it like I do now.
And you’re right, this is of course, quite subjective. That is why there is debate.
If you put in the work, got to the level of skill I am talking about, and then said, “man, that totally wasn’t worth it”. I would stand corrected, and (while surprised) apologize.
THAT would be trying the apple.
I think that this one sentence is a very good description of the mentality on the forums that I will never understand.
I do not want to pass judgement on you. I’m sure you’re an AWESOME dude. And I’ve heard your strings are incredible.
But I really don’t have much to say to this.
Yeah I was playing that up a bit for effect, sorry, I don’t actually feel that extremely about it. I meant that more as “some people might feel this way, and who are you to tell them they’re wrong?” In your original post, you said
Then proceed to tell us all why that’s NOT cool. And then this:
So everyone has to become an expert to decide whether they want to be an expert or not?
Ok. So following that logic, everyone should at least train and enter one Nascar race before they decide they’re okay with just enjoying a drive by the beach. Or maybe everyone should join a band and play a few concerts before deciding they want to just chill at home with a guitar for fun.
I really cannot wrap my brain around that mentality. And I assume you are also a great guy but man we are totally opposite on this one. If you enjoy something at a basic hobby level and don’t want to go further, I say to each his own.
Again, I’m really not trying to be attacking or anything, really hope it doesn’t come off that way. I’m just trying to explain where I’m coming from and understand where you’re coming from.
I’m not advancing for becoming an expert. That takes too much time, and would be unreasonable. I’m advocating for much less than that.
I knew someone would say something like this, so I addressed it in one of my previous replies. But I’ll say it again. You yoyo. You probably have more expensive yoyos than I do. You’re a member of a yoyo forum. You make yoyo string. Its safe to say, you’re into yoyo. GIVEN THAT, its not a great leap to get some decent skill at it. Not expert level. Just not the same beginner tricks everyday.
I would say the same thing about racing cars if you owned multiple race cars, were involved in the racing community, manufactured steering wheels designed for racing, and did nothing but drive your race car around the block. I would say “hey, given that you’re really into this scene, why not get some skill at using those cars of yours?”
