Idk, my 2sick Promotion weighs in at 66g and imo feels a few grams lighter on the string. I wouldnt have believed it has the same weight as the VTWO until I looked it up.
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Only believe a properly calibrated scale. Humans generally suck at estimating such things.
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Compare the CLYW BvMr2 and the Chief. The BvMr2 is lighter, yet it feels MUCH heavier then the Chief.
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But the BvMr2 is lighter, right? How can it feel heavier except by virtue of a fundamental inability to accurately assess weight? Subjective weight assessment strikes me as way too inaccurate to be useful in driving technical design decisions.
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Imo with something like yoyos, subjective feel is exactly what you are aiming for. I personally think a 70+ gram yoyo would be fatiguing to use for any extended length of time, but when it comes to yoyos, pretty much any benchmarkable feature is going to be a subjective judgment.
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Sure, but “subjective feel” isn’t really a transferable metric. On the other hand, a measurement is a measurement. When the perception of weight is that far off from what the scales say, my faith in the human ability to reconcile subjective assessment with objective measurement disappears rapidly.
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My point is that some yoyo designs definitely give you the perception of a lighter or heavier yoyo without actually having to be lighter or heavier objectively. Whether everyone feels the same way about a specific yoyo is up for scrutiny, however all I am saying is that ive personally felt a yoyo play/feel lighter on the string than a different one with the exact same weight.
As for what I said regarding being a “benchmarkable feature”, I was referring to characteristics such as feeling light on the string, stability, ‘fun’ factor, sluggishness, or any other ways in which people attempt to describe a yoyo. Everyone knows the objective numbers basically mean nothing if they don’t like the yoyo. Im sure that we could add more objective measurements to yoyo designs that may elucidate feel a bit more, but as of now we only really have physical dimensions, gap width, and weight to go by for the most part, and they tell very little about how a yoyo will actually feel like on the string.
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True, specs are only a rough guidepost. But they are more useful to me than any review, since what someone else thinks a yoyo feels like tells me even less about how it will feel to me.
This isn’t unique to yoyos, of course. This is true for just about anything involving subjective assessment. How a musical instrument feels to play. How a keyboard feels to type on. How a pen or brush feels to draw/paint with. Etc. I’ve just found that 90-something percent of other people’s subjective experiences don’t map accurately enough to my own to be useful. Give me hard specs instead and I’ll go from there. Everyone should be similarly independent in judgment, I feel.
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Honestly, I use both subjective and objective measures when im determining pre-judgment value. I can see a shape and specs of a yoyo and have a rough idea of what it feels like, but it is also nice when you can corroborate your initial speculations with someone who has direct experience with it. Of course (as in any hobby), the further down the rabbit hole you travel, the easier it is for you to be able to determine your perceived level of satisfaction with a product based on objective data. You mentioned keyboards, and that is basically the easiest line of comparison for me (im an amateur guitar player who doesnt have any “good” guitars), and id say that if you only know rubber domes and a cherry switch or two, the easiest way of getting to know what buckling spring or topre feels like is to try it. But before that, comes subjective assessments, which can tell you a hell of a lot more about the feel than numbers can. Once you have the experience, the data is more informative.
Not everyone has the capacity to buy hundreds of yoyos, so their relative inexperience makes them have to rely on subjective data points to piece things together. Subjective experience can be unreliable, but is far from useless. To be completely honest, I get little out of most popular yoyo reviewers, and only trust 1 or 2 of them. Otherwise, community opinions, even the outliers, can be useful advice.
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BvM always felt like a literal rock to me and I have no idea why. Good yoyo, but basically a rock
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I love the heavy feeling of the first and the second one. Yet again it is called bear vs man not cheeta vs man so it is heavy feeling.
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Yeah I agree. I don’t remember which one I played… it was a long time ago. Like 2010 or 2011
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The usual suspects. @Myk_Myk
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Ah nickel… Hey was it missing the little hub sticker, or did you take it off. or did it not have them?
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I took off the diff dots. I don’t care for them and if you know your throws you know that’s a Diff. I love this thing man, Thanks!
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So glad you’re enjoying it like it should be enjoyed!
I’m still totally enamored with the Dietz you traded me for it!
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That’s the way it should be. 
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Great first impressions from this one. Almost feels like I discovered some yoyo cheat code while throwing this one around.
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