I’m really curious about this topic regarding the use of larger size yoyo specs versus smaller yoyo specs if judges are taking this into account in their scoring.
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Yoyo spec/dimensions aren’t taken into account when judging/scoring
If someone hits an insane routine on an undersized yoyo, that’s up to them - they’re being judged on tricks, not what yoyo they use. That’d be more of a flex to the audience/those who know, if anything.
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they should give a point multiplier to shorter basketball players
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would be interesting if the yoyo specs added a difficulty multiplier or similar, but nope. if two people executed the exact same routine without errors and one of them used a shutter wide angle and the other used a stainless shutter, i’d score the stainless shutter higher, because of the yoyos size. probably need to start your own competition and write your own rules to do this kind of scoring.
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I never really thought much about whether judges gave considerations good degree of difficulty in executing certain tricks or routines during a freestyle based on specifications of the yo-yo?
But to me that brings up an interesting curiosity.
Once in a while, I will stay an extreme parallel to consider in the process of pulling things back into the normal range of reality and logic.
So you’re talking… What do you think?
Two yo-yo players are considered by almost everyone to be the top candidates to win the world yo-yo contest 4A division.
Out of the 20 competitors in that particular division, these two competitors, neck and neck, yo-yo playing abilities, just happen to be the two last to perform.
The first player does a three minute routine of incredible mind, bending tricks, without a single move that could even be considered close to an error. The player uses a large well balanced, V shaped yo-yo considered by most players to be the best choice for competitive 4A.
The second player takes the stage and also does a three minute incredibly difficult and flawlessly performed freestyle that to most would only be possible in their dreams.
But this player performs his incredible freestyle using a Yoyofactory Mighty Flea YoYo, launching it into the air with a string off one of his tennis shoes.
So here is the dilemma. Even though it’s not written into the rules to consider the specifications of the yo-yo… Does anybody that might be reading it, think that the judges may personally give some extra consideration to the person doing such an equally incredibly difficult routine as a competitor before him, yet using an impossibly small yo-yo that obviously made his performance that much more challenging and difficult?
I mean, even though it’s not an accepted and understood factor in contest judging, I would think using another example that if two guys competed head to head in the 1A division , and did an identically perfect error free routine, but one use a yo-yo factory, miracle, and the other one used a raider, should there should definitely be considerations for degree of difficulty, you think?
Sometimes reality and hypotheticals cross paths.
Personally, if I were judging a Contest, I would not factor in degree of difficulty based on the yo-yo a competitor uses. That is not a known or accepted factor in judging criteria for yo-yo contests.
Presenting a hypothetical should not be identified as a suggestion in recommending the possibility or probability of being implemented into the judging criteria
Simply food for thought.
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In “combat” sports (boxing, judo, etc.) there are weight classes in order to keep the playing field even.
In motorsports, there are “spec” regulations limiting what the cars can and can’t have.
In most stick and ball sports, the equipment is carefully regulated so that everyone is playing with the same gear and nobody gets an advantage by selecting their own specs.
If yoyoing wanted to present contests as contests of skill only, independent of the yoyo itself, then it would create a “spec” yoyo each year for each division, select a single manufacturer to produce that model, and require the use of only that model, unmodified, in competition.
If yoyoing wanted to present two contests, one for the player and one for the yoyo, they could, kind of like you have with F1 where there is a driver’s champion and a constructor’s champion. Of course, even then, constructors must abide by the strict “formula” for each season. Yoyoing could do the same by issuing a “spec” and allowing players to select any yoyo that meets that spec.
I see both approaches as perfectly valid. I’ve never really been all that keen on the current arrangement where the meta for each year only applies to tricks but not the yoyos used.
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The idea of yo-yo specs having any influence on competition scoring is quite ridiculous and antithetical to the goal of competitive yo-yoing imo.
We can throw around hypotheticals like “oh what if two people did the same/equally as impressive routine but one used a worse yo-yo” but the actual more likely scenario if you were to apply some kind of “yo-yo goodness” modifier is that someone who performs a worse routine (the thing that we’re all watching for) may beat someone who had a better routine just because the yo-yo they used was “worse”.
What we all want to see are amazing performances with boundary pushing tricks. Penalising players who use more performant yo-yos seems to run directly against that goal and to prioritise something other than the tricks and performance itself. Competitors should be free to use whatever they are most comfortable with and best able to perform with as that will result in the best performances for us to enjoy.
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Why would you? If you miss a trick with what is supposed to be comfortable, then you miss the trick. Get good or don’t. Just because you can hit a cold fusion on a tiny yoyo doesn’t mean the trick isn’t basic af.
Also, wide yoyos don’t make you good at yoyoing, nor are small yoyos making what you’re doing that much more impressive unless it’s a zoning combo. Even then, the rules are rules and you shouldn’t get bonus points for practicing the same mechanics as someone else in the same trick.
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Companies certainly advertise wideness as a way to improve success rate, cater better to current competition meta etc.
Should professional events be judged based on shoes worn? Because ughhh if you choose to wear 30 inch heels it’ll be more challenging to do horizontal behind the backs
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They should make up random spec requirements for yoyos like F1
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Raw dawg the stage no shoes—> tech score x .35 for being a nasty.
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Exactly, you are thinking like I’m thinking that to be more fair minded in judging the best performance and score in a yoyo contest the yoyo spec standards should be considered. There should be professional rules and standards in yoyo contest so there is fairer ways to judge and score each contestant performance.
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it’s really only not fair if everyone doesnt have access to the same equipment. if everyone has access to the same yoyos and one person chooses a 50mm one and another decides to use a 44mm one, the 44mm person shouldnt get to impose a penalty to the other person or a bonus to themselves just because they chose a narrower yoyo
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Isn’t one of the rules the yoyo has to be commercially available so someone can’t like make a special ultra yoyo to play on. I haven’t read through the rule sets in a long while si idk I’m positive you can’t have a motorized yoyo like the mugen or something silly not that that would actually help any.
I actually wonder where something like a nine dragons falls seeing and how that would help if any i can imagine the hurt aspects.
Idk I would need to skim some rules which im lazy about maybe that’s a chat got prompt,
i think that’s the best way to ensure fairness while also allowing ppl to use that which is most comfortable to them. i can’t see how width can be standardized and called fair when ppl have diff hand sizes for example. like if you force someone with a very small hand to use a 50+ mm wide yoyo that they find unwieldy, is it really leveling the playing field at that point?
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No, it’s quite common for sponsored players to use protos or soon to be released yo-yos in contests. But it’s not really an issue anyway tbh as there’s marginal performance gains between yo-yos anyway and choice of yo-yo is more preference naturally.
I’m not sure about if there are any rules on the motorised yo-yo though.
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How would changing the scoring system based on yoyo specs make yoyo contests more fair?
I literally do not understand this question.
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No. For two reasons.
- It’s unnecessary and uncompetitive.
- The slippery slope is a fallacy in everything but competition.
As fun an idea as this is, this isn’t precedented in other hobbies for a reason, because you get fringe cases that push rule boundaries. Imagine if you could score higher in skateboarding for using a pennyboard? Imagine if you’re in a marathon and you get like 3-4 seconds taken off your final time because you ran in van sk8-his instead of running shoes? Should ice skating in the Olympics get extra points if they go out with misfitting or dull skates? Etc.
The problem with this is that it takes pressure off the actual difficulty aspect of the yoyoing in exchange for a superficial difficulty increase that doesn’t actually reflect the difficulty of the tricks at hand. At that point, it’s not about the tricks, it’s about the yoyo. We’re already observing the peak of yoyo; what these guys are doing is already the peak of “hardness” in yoyo outside of one-off Instagram tricks that the filmer took 3-4 hours to record.
You’d have cases where you have someone using something small to fill the gap from neutering their performance. You’d have cases where someone would try to use the biggest possible yoyo that fits in the “small” category just to make it irrelevant anyway. Then, if judges decide it doesn’t fit anyway, you have controversy over whether or not that yoyo was small enough to warrant a point boost.
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extra points for aston if they finish a gp