Research and development

Hello, my name is Grant. Yes, I am new here.

I’m a disabled veteran, and a maker. Dare I say, master craftsman? Anyway, my favorite human on the planet died two years ago and left me a gift and instructions to follow my heart and seek my dreams. I took all of that love, pride, and years of my time to bring the world ‘Patrick-Teague SilverWorks’.

The reason I am here, is that I have decided to honor a childhood memory and design a line of yoyos that is absolutely exquisite. I intent to make them out of copper, silver, gold, and platinum, as well as a mixture of all the above.

Being that the density of the materials I’m using is significantly higher than normal, issues are going to arrise with balancing. I was going to use a prop balancer for an RC aircraft, but it occurs to me that there may be a technique.

I would greatly appreciate anyone willing to help me with this endeavor. IF you help me, I will credit you as a Co-designer as well as list your name as a contributor on my Hometown Heroes(for all the little heroes in our lives) ad campaign I have planned for the debut of my silver shop.

Thank you for reading, and I look forward to hearing from folks.

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Hey, I have some minor experience with designing yo-yos made from high density materials, namely brass which is about half the density of materials you are working with but considerably higher than normal yoyo materials.

My designs are currently in the prototype stage and am planning v2 prototypes at the moment after some help from some wonderful people in the community.

Here’s some pictures of the brass ones.

You can see that they are micros and much smaller than normal yo-yos. This is because the ideal weight for a yoyo generally falls under 60 grams, which will be a bit of a challenge with those high density materials if you plan to make them solid precious metal.

The larger of the two is called the Pocket Watch and uses a bearing and silicone self adhesive pads to enhance its spin and response (its ability to go back up the string). Including a bearing can be a great way to improve performance but has a drawback that it requires high precision (about +/- 0.05 mm or better tolerance). I can share more information about bearing types, bearing design principles, the silicone pads I had custom made etc if you are interested.

The smaller is called RIP and is a fixed axle (one piece design) at the time of writing this I believe it’s the only high density fixed axle yo-yo made. At least as far as I know. The holes are part of the response system that lets it go up the string. This one was sand blasted to give it better response but the blasting was too aggressive and it tends to break strings rather quickly.

I’m planning to remake both, the RIP will get a less aggressive sand blasting and the Pocket Watch l will get a high polished surface to better reflect its name and fine jewelry idea.

Yo-yos this small require specialty string that is thinner than normal and I work with someone in the community who is custom making string. I’ll tag them @rkalajian

Eventually I’ll be having a machine shop produce a run of about 50 of each to sell, which is about standard run size for a small new yoyo brand.

If you don’t want to produce micros another option is precious metal plating. This has been done before with some solid success. One company At Design Lab has some gold and I believe silver plating on top of aluminum yo-yos. Copper plating has been done before too. The plating process can introduce some vibration and affect the yoyo and if not done correctly can introduce so much that it becomes unusable.

Another solid idea is bi-material. You mentioned you are a maker, not sure if that includes wood work but an inlay of precious metal ring around the outside of a wood yoyo would add density to the outer rim which would increase its spin time.

I’m happy to help, answer questions, or chat about yoyo design. I’m early into “branded design” as the idea of selling stuff isn’t really my vibe so these are my first metal yo-yos. My main yoyo hobby is designing and releasing open source 3d printable yo-yos as well as printing them myself and giving them away.

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You could consider using precious metal platings to keep the weight and costs down.

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Allot of “gold” or “platinum” yo-yos or whatever have been plated as density of material lends to undersized to tiny yo-yos if staying within 50-80g anything higher than 80g and you get into fatigue and injury territory. There have been 100g yo-yos but generally they feel awkward to use and are unpleasant to play for long periods. More then 120 and your getting to dangerous territory where your risking straining something. There are a very select few in that above 120 range generally designed as long sleepers or quirky massive yo-yos for spectacle sake but aren’t meant to be played more show pieces and or dedicated to a very specific task.

as Andy stated bimateriak is a good option too but keel in mind the mailable nature if gold might result in easily damaging rims.

Regardless especially with silver, gold, platinum and other precious metals prices sky rocketing over the last few years It’s going to be a very expensive project and end product.

Not trying to discourage just noting some pitfalls and things to keep in mind. A cufflink or necklace pendant sized micro in gold would be really neat and a cool idea but hard to design and machine while a full sized yoyo will have mass and price restrictions unless you get creative with the design. Interestingly small bearing big heavy yoyo can feel light but slow which can be fun so maybe playing with A size bearings on a dense full size copper would be interesting but idk very hard to know without messing with designs and calculating MMOI.

A responsive would allow you to get away with slimmer and smaller but your gonna have a more niche audience with an already high niche with the cost expected and unique material., I’ll be interested to see what you come up with. Copper seems doable and I would love a nice penny smelling yoyo with a fun patina (this material has been done a few times)

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I’ll keep all that in mind.

Definitely, if you wanted to share your designs, that would be extremely helpful.

It sounds like I have a couple ounces or so to play with. I might be able to make that work.

Those brass yoyos are awesome. Nice work!

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Yeah, I will keep all that in mind for sure. Maybe if I squeeze it out rather thin.

I’m definitely into the bimaterial. I’ve done it on other projects, I should definitely consider it here. Especially if I can get my hands on some exotic hardwoods.

I’m not too worried about cost as I’m setting myself up to aquire these metals at the cost of my time. It’s something that I have been blessed with a lot of.

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I don’t like plating because the resale value plummets. I like solid materials so you know what you are getting.

The bimaterial idea folks have been floating may be a winner as I can inlay specific amounts of gold.

Thank you for the advice.