We have talked about alot of objective aspects. It has been a long conversation. I have never claimed that effects are more phycological. I mearly introduce the phycological aspect as a factor. It always will be in a subjective conversation.
I totally agree the feel is subjective. I cannot agree about one being objectively better than the other. There is so many different aspect that we all consider when playing with our toys. What performance criteria is used to measure what is better is different for different people. Again this is a subjective matter. I originally posted some objective suggestions of the angle of impact on the string in relation to the angle of the yoyo about its axisand the string makes contact in the same place.
Now if the string makes its way over to the very side of the yoyo then it is possible that it will make more contact. In order to make an impact on the performance or spin on the yoyo it would have to be severe and in contact at that angle long enough.
Ina competiion routine I believe those impacts would be almost non existant. The yoyo moves to fastand changes direction often.
When we are playing in a more casual manner it may have a greater effects based on many factors. I am not favoring either one in this conversation. Only debating the impact.
Statements were made about competitors and not being confident. I spoke on the phycology and effects of believing somwthing will have an impact. These are all real considerations.
I like Koncave bearings
I like Center Trac bearings
I like the Grooved Centering bearing
I like Flat bearings
I have them all and like them all. I don’t compete, I only play with a yoyo when I get a chance. The bearings have very little affect on my performance. None that I can tell.
I like all of my forum friends and appreciate the conversation and debate. Whatever anyone likes to use will perform best for them for whatever reasons. Have fun and enjoy your yoyos.
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Except in this case it’s not. Having the string make less contact with the response system is better for unresponsive play, which is what people are talking about when discussing competitive yoyoing. When people were modding Freehands they were recessing the response area deeper into the yo-yo for this very reason. If it didn’t make a difference people would not be making yo-yos with recessed silicone response systems and gaps wouldn’t be over 4mm. The centering bearing takes this one step further.
If you want to say when considering all of the yoyoing styles out there including responsive play that centering bearings aren’t objectively better you are 100% correct. But in the context of competition, they are better for the same reason recessed silicone is better than friction stickers.
I’m not trying to be a jerk but not everything in the world is subjective. Even if some people prefer flat bearings or they don’t make a huge difference in casual play, the additional benefit of a centering bearing for competition makes them objectively better than flats for that purpose. They are not better because the competitor believes they are better, they are better in the same way recessed silicone is better than raised friction stickers and a 3mm gap.
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Yes this is what I mean as well. Also a good example of why this conversation is always so difficult. Different interpretations of spin, tilt, snag, etc.
I feel ya.
I have to think it is somewhat objective considering the 585 comments.
I think the main issue is one that I see in all aspects of life. People confusing “quality” with “I like it.”
Something being better isn’t the same as liking it more. Lots of people like Twilight.
And something being contentious doesn’t mean there isn’t a right answer. Lots of people would argue the earth is flat regardless of evidence.
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Yep, OneDrop is kinda funny. Everything David mentioned and plenty of other things make them one of a kind. @Glenacius_K your approach to building and marketing yoyos is kind of funny also. I appreciate that in either case. Either of you could outsource your production and enjoy some extra profit margin. But would OneDrop or Spinworthy still be the same?
I’ve swapped bearings in OneDrops, YYRs, YYFs, boutique throws, highly collectible throws and crappy old mostly beaten to death plastics from a decade ago. The bearing I wind up liking might change depending on what I’m trying to do with a particular yoyo at the time, the response and the string might change also. I’m particular about these details in my yoyos, but I don’t think I’m in a small minority or there wouldn’t be so many bearing/string/response alternatives out there.
You know what I really wish OneDrop would do? Make more side effects, domes in particular, and more colors, some new side effect shapes would be fun too. I’d happily trade them using flat bearings for the rest of eternity to be able to buy more shapes of side effects in a large variety of colors. I’m having way too much fun trying different side effects on my assortment of side effect yoyos to learn how center weight effects the play.
I’d love to see a small bearing yelets, and a D bearing VTwo. How about side effects yoyos using different bearing sizes? A side effect that also had hubstack posts on the outside? Drool.
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Yes more side effects yoyos!
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Hinestly nit sure I’m following you here. Quality and liking it? Quality is absolutely subjective depebding on what we are talking about versus what we expect. I mean honestly there is varying levels of quality and percieved quality. And someone liking things… They are certainly free to judge whatever they like.
I work for a manufacturing company. We beleive we make the highest quality product. I could spend days discussing the materials, design, and manufacturing controls we use. To many people that does not matter and maybe there are higher quality products.
I don’t think we are discussing the quality of One Drop 10 balls. They are very high quality with a superb finish. All centering bearing or flats are not created equally. Some centering don’t spin well or last long. That would be worse than the centering benefits.
Also none of us have evidence or real data that supports either of our claims. If a yoyo is thrown or spun by machine perfectly on its axis neither bearing will cause the string to move itself to the side and touch the side wall. We can’t prove to each other either way. We can use the theoretical benefits. I use that term losely. I recognize the design of a centering bearing and its effects. I just can’t fully determine the degree of impact that it has.
And the flat earth reference. There are endless things we will never see or touch or fully understand. We theorize based on knowledge and understanding that we have about the world we live in. Those theories change as our understanding changes. We cannot prove the true shape of the earth which we beleive is not actually round but slightly ovalled. Not sure if thats a word. But pictures we have show it to be reletively round. You also have to have some faith based on “evidence”. There are so many things that cannot be proven but does not make it non existant.
Edit: man the spelling errors are many. Its late and I type on the phone.
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My standard preference overall is the Center Trac bearing. I feel like it still provides some layering space and has the ability to nudge away from the edges. To me its a good compromise. And they are basically standard on most so thats what generally stays there.
This would be a cool test. Setup identical yoyos for Worlds Finalists to play. So whatever Gentry is playing, a Shutter WA, identical version, same string, but have one setup with a flat, another with a CT, and without him knowing which is which have him do half of his routine then discuss his thoughts on each one. Then do the same with all the Finalists with their preferred setup.
That’d make an interesting video.
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Realized I’m taking this argument a little too seriously and need to chill. My bad @Jhonaker.
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Agreed, I have as well unnecessarily. We’re good.
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I’d bet money every single one of them would clearly be able to tell which had the centering and that they had an easier time performing their tricks
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Plenty of companies ship two bearings with a yo-yo, though! You could argue this is an extra expense on each one of like… $2 … though, which is fair.
Just here to say I love this thread. And though I might switch the bearing out at some point, I will most certainly be buying some One Drop throws in the near future.
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I still think it would make for an interesting challenge. Like the old Pepsi Challenge. Blind test, many couldn’t tell Pepsi from Coke. It would take some work to make sure it was a fair comparison. Such as if one player uses a dry bearing, you’d need to make sure both bearings were 8 or 10 ball (whatever they use) and dry.
I mentioned earlier in this post, and I still believe, that most would be surprised by what these players would find and say about the experience.
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600th post o.0
do I get a cookie?
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On my desk I have a MC with a Flat bearing, a Parlay with a konkave, and a Dingo with a DS bearing. Why? Because I prefer the MC with a flat, I prefer the Parlay with a konkave, and I just put a random bearing in the Dingo. It would be just as good with any bearing.
I also have a Navigator that I just noticed has a flat bearing. I play with it often, it doesn’t suck. This is all personal preference, your favorite is not the same as everyone’s favorite.
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