I’m trying to make what I think is a new trick involving popping the yo up from a Double or Nothing, curling my fingers in and then trying to loop into either a hook configuration or a Brent GT.
A) Does such a trick exist?
B) If not, I demand that this trick be named the Double Jeopardy or the Lemon Drop
C) Is this motion even possible? Need someone more skilled than me to try this out because I know that I’m not exactly the optimal person to research tricks seeing as how I’m only like a mid-level player
If you pop out of any string formation, there’s nothing stopping you from doing any trick you’d normally do from an open mount.
Stuff like this don’t really have a name, trying to name specific motions would just be unnecessarily confusing, and trying to claim credit/name more simple tricks is kinda frowned on by a decent amount of modern players.
For what you’re trying to do you’d just be popping out of a DoN and doing a brent stole during the pop. A reverse brent stole is easier from that just because the strings are set up in a way that makes it easier to move the slack in the direction needed for a reverse brent stole/reverse hook.
This is unrelated to what you’re specifically trying to do, but here’s an example of some basic tension hooks you can do from a DoN.
I get where you’re coming from but in that case wouldn’t the Lord of the Flies be kinda not a trick then? Not trying to start an argument because I see where you’re coming from but I just feel there are lots of tricks out there are are simply two or more tricks just smooshed together
It’s not that you can’t name tricks, or that tricks can’t just be a mishmash of existing elements, it’s just the same problem that arose in skateboarding. The issue is that if it’s something simple enough that people could’ve (read: probably) found it years prior, how do you already know if it has a name or not? Why should you be taking credit for it just because you’re the one getting attention doing it in the present, while ignoring the people who did it in the past.
It was easier in the past when there were fewer resources available, and people looked at the few trick resources available as an encyclopedia. But in the modern social media environment people are posting new tricks constantly, and many of them will get very few views. It’s just really hard to claim definitive ownership over a trick in an environment like this. And naming can be seen as claiming ownership over the trick.
The confusing part is that if you refer to something by name, you’re making the assumption that the person you’re talking to has seen the video before. I had no idea what “lord of the flies” was until this exact moment, so you saying that name didn’t really mean anything to me. If you described what the trick was using only element names, referring to it as Z-axis/3D slack rotations in an open mount, I’d have instantly have had some idea of what the trick was about. Element names are critical to communicating yoyo tricks, but actual trick names don’t carry much weight any more.
I’m completely neutral to it, idrc if you name tricks or not. But that’s the gist of why yoyo tricks mostly stopped being named.
That helped clarify your point a lot. Practically it’s the fact that the naming if the yoyo trick contains no information about the trick itself was mostly what you were referring to. I personally am of the opinion that as long as a name sticks enough that it helps to identify it as something to categorize in my brain. Like when I think of a DoN that instantly makes me think of looping a yoyo over both of my fingers and catching it on that NTH. Even then I know I’m describing it incorrectly. I also get that the DoN also is near-universal to yoyo so as a result my point is a bit weaker. I still think naming tricks is important when the actual motion itself is unique and therefore makes itself fundamental to other more advanced tricks. I’m not saying that the combo I was thinking up was in that category (if anything it is the definition of derivative), but just that naming is important to help identify basic components and still has a place. I also think that having a snazzy name to a trick gives it personality too
If naming tricks is just fun for you, go for it. If other people are bothered by you just doing what’s fun while yoyoing, then that’s on them.
About your DoN comment, if you’re interested in how I classify stuff.
Is DoN a mount? Yes, nobody would argue with that. Is DoN a trick? Well it definitively used to be, but now it can both be a trick, and not be a trick.
In my mind a mount is basically every single string formation, everything is a mount. Very very very few mounts have names, and the ones that are named are super fundamental.
An element is any way in which you transition from one mount to another.
A trick is defining a clear start/end point to a sequence of mounts/elements.
A combo is doing a combination of sequences without an explicit end point or goal in a single throw, or combining multiple tricks into a single throw.
Going back to DoN specifically. If your end goal of your trick is to end in a DoN, even if you’re simply throwing a breakaway straight into a DoN- if that was your intended goal and ending point, then in this instance DoN is a trick. If you’re only getting into DoN to transition into a different mount, then just throwing DoN is no longer a trick.
Are these labels bible? Nah not even close, that’s just how I personally categorize everything mentally. If you think everything I said here is stupid that’s entirely valid lol. I just think it’s an interesting topic.
I agree with mable, naming tricks is a slippery slope. My take would be if you have something you think is cool or unique etc, film it and show it off! It’s probably been done before but that doesn’t mean it’s not new or cool to someone else, who then may want to learn it or some of the elements used.
Use me for an example, you got me intrigued by this thread to attempt it too, so whether it’s “new” or not, you’ve inspired someone else to learn something, which is tight. And it’s hard ngl lol, took me a good few minutes to land a Brent Stole from a DoN. Ninja vanish from a DoN is way easier I found
