NEW yoyo spec community project

Background:

There are thousands of different yoyo models. Customers shopping online frequently select a model based on its specifications such as width, diameter, shape, gap width, etc. An important determinant of yoyo performance is the amount of inertia and momentum (aka stability and spin time) it has after it has been thrown. These are in part determined by the diameter of the yoyo and the amount of weight distributed at the rims. Current customers shopping online are not able to easily compare the amount of stability/ sleep time one yoyo has relative to another.

Objective:

We propose an additional metric, “Stability/ Spin time” or “S-score” to further enhance the customer’s ability to select a yoyo that most aligns with their desired attributes.

Methods:

Prior to beginning, a benchmark yoyo must be selected to serve as a control. The authors would suggest the YOYOFACTORY Shutter model because it is ubiquitous, inexpensive, and generally considered to be a good performer.

Step 1: the yoyoer would throw 3 sleepers with the Shutter yoyo and take the average of those 3 times.

Step 2: the yoyoer would repeat step 1 with the yoyo model of their choice.

Step 3: the yoyoer would then divide the average spin time of the yoyo of their choice by the average spin time of their Shutter yoyo. This will yield the yoyo of their choice’s S-score.

Step 4: the yoyoer will record this number in the spreadsheet under the yoyo model name. They may repeat steps 2-4 for each yoyo they would like to know the S-score for.

Step 5: An average of the reported S-scores (max of 6) for a particular model will be calculated in the far-right column. Other yoyoers may then access the spreadsheet to review the S-scores of reported models and make future purchasing selections based on this value.

Example: Our average sleeper with a Shutter yoyo is 100 seconds. Our average sleeper with an 888 yoyo is 80 seconds. 80 seconds/ 100 seconds is 0.8. Therefore, the 888 yoyo has an S-score of 0.8 indicating it is less stable than a Shutter or other yoyos with a higher S-value.

Results:

Contribute your S-scores in the spreadsheet below.

Spreadsheet: Yoyo S-scores - Google Sheets

Discussion:

Anticipated limitations of this study: First, not everyone has access to a Shutter yoyo. Second, while the Shutter is ubiquitous, slight updates in the design over the years mean that not every Shutter is identical so it is not an ideal control. Third, when possible, the yoyoer should use the same bearing and string in the Shutter as they do with the yoyo in question when throwing sleepers to rule out a potential confounding variable. However, not all yoyos use the same bearing size making this not always possible. Fourth, differences in player technique may cause variance in individual S-scores. Fifth, a yoyo’s “feel” is very subjective and is not solely determined by its stability/ spin time.

Conclusion:

An S-score is a relatively objective value that can help those looking to purchase a new yoyo model select the one that best fits their desired attributes.

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i really like this idea, but spin-times are very user-dependent, plus people without a base shutter wouldn’t be able to participate. do you think solutions to these issues are necessary?

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C3 BTH about to get a 10 S-Score.

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Great question!

Short answer is no, I would not need a control yoyo if I had a large pool of players representing all different skill levels.

Longer answer:

Using a standardized yoyo as a control (the Shutter in this example), largely eliminates skill level as a confounding variable.

For example, if I threw an 888 it would likely spin for 80 seconds. If you threw the same 888 it would hypothetically spin for 100 seconds because you have a higher skill level.

Then, if I threw a Shutter it would spin for 100 seconds because it is a larger yoyo with more rim weight. If you threw that same Shutter it would hypothetically spin for 125 seconds. Again, because you have a higher skill level.

However, both 80 seconds/ 100 seconds and 100 seconds/ 125 seconds = 0.8. The S-scores are identical despite our differences in skill!

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The problem is that there’s more to spin time than raw rim weight, string type, length, bearing, etc. When you’re actively playing with the yoyo, the string will rub into the side of the yoyo and cause it to slow down by different amounts depending on how well the yoyo is designed.

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And what bearing do you use?

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The S-score isn’t intended to convey every facet of a yoyo’s performance. It will simply make it easier to directly compare the amount of inertia/ momentum two different models have.

This could then be taken into consideration with all the other factors you mentioned.

It doesn’t matter which bearing you use as long as you use the same one in both the control (Shutter) and the yoyo in question!

I’m confused. The direct amount of moment of inertia/momentum doesn’t matter, so what’s the point of testing it to begin with?

Why doesn’t it matter? The formula for angular momentum is weight x radius x velocity. This is why a large yoyo with more weight distributed to the rims will spin longer and resist tilt better.

I think this is interesting. But I need one further parameter.

“Until it stops spinning”
Does this mean tweaking the string while it does so? So that the angle stays as straight as possible and it literally hangs still in the end?

Or? untill it starts going off axis and is not a sleeper anymore but just spins wildly in different directions.

Personally I think the second method is more usefull since it also takes stability more in to account.

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The whole concept is a great idea and Alex is raising a very good point.

I agree, the second method takes stability in account, but I think the first method is better to get a consistent and reliable measurement modus operandi.

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You both make good points! I will run a mini experiment to see which method is more consistent and to see if there is a significant difference between the two then report back here.

I like it, it is simple and most would be able to do the test, most of the other variables are manageable.

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After rigorous testing, the “string tweaking” method proved to be far more reliable and valid vs. the unassisted method.

Additionally, string rubbing against the wall of the yoyo creates A LOT of friction, reducing spin time. Results are much more consistent when using a konkave instead of a string-centering bearing with a flat middle.

I really appreciate how many newer models have the walls of the yoyo masked during the blasting process. I think this really improves performance.

The S-scores for the first 5 yoyos are now in the spreadsheet! Surprisingly, the YYFr Peregrine currently has the highest score which is a testament to its amazing design considering it debuted over 3 years ago