# Zorro's 2014 Freestyle Contest **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [March 5, 2014, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/zorros-2014-freestyle-contest/64388 "2014-03-05T23:24:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![GregP](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gregp/32/1192_2.png) [@GregP](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GregP)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 3:30am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/zorros-2014-freestyle-contest/64388/662 "2014-04-21T03:30:34Z")
weak. ---
**Author:** ![Nemyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nemyo/32/14407_2.png) [@Nemyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Nemyo)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 3:31am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/zorros-2014-freestyle-contest/64388/663 "2014-04-21T03:31:07Z")
> [@GregP](#): > > weak. profound statement Greg. ---
**Author:** ![cbaxt98](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/cbaxt98/32/14060_2.png) [@cbaxt98](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/cbaxt98)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 3:53am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/zorros-2014-freestyle-contest/64388/664 "2014-04-21T03:53:18Z")
oh boy ---
**Author:** ![kulazndoode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/kulazndoode/32/1251_2.png) [@kulazndoode](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/kulazndoode)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 4:05am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/zorros-2014-freestyle-contest/64388/665 "2014-04-21T04:05:22Z")
this is spiraling ---
**Author:** ![vegabomb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/vegabomb/32/199_2.png) [@vegabomb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/vegabomb)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 5:28am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/zorros-2014-freestyle-contest/64388/666 "2014-04-21T05:28:07Z")
> [@Zorro](#): > > Since my judges are taking forever, I have decided to forget the current system, and I will pick my favorites. > > Also, not many videos have been sent in, so, 55379 sent me a video and I will allow it to be counted. > > This is the last day for submissions. This has been a long journey. Seemingly a good journey at that. Changing horses midstream is always ill advised. Food for thought. ---
**Author:** ![azunyan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/43a26b/32.png) [@azunyan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/azunyan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 5:43am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/zorros-2014-freestyle-contest/64388/667 "2014-04-21T05:43:50Z")
are prizes being handed out still? ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_kerber](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/erik_kerber/32/7939_2.png) [@Erik\_kerber](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Erik_kerber)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/zorros-2014-freestyle-contest/64388/668 "2014-04-21T13:50:19Z")
In away I’m almost glad I didn’t make it to finals cuz this is getting a little out of control. ---
**Author:** ![stuarttw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@stuarttw](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stuarttw)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/zorros-2014-freestyle-contest/64388/669 "2014-04-21T17:13:39Z")
``` Personally I think that Zorro just has had to work a lot to do this contest. I don't see why he should have to pick the winner too. In my very humble opinion the judges should still judge, but if Zorro decides to pick the winners himself, it's up to him. I believe that the judges should still judge because it's way more accurate when scoring is happening, rather than get bias points just because there's only one judge. Just throwing this out there. ``` ---
**Author:** ![GregP](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gregp/32/1192_2.png) [@GregP](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GregP)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/zorros-2014-freestyle-contest/64388/670 "2014-04-21T18:22:18Z")
Zorro hasn’t “had” to do anything. He was creating all kinds of contests with questionable guidelines and processes… but it didn’t matter because people could either join or not (after the Ironarm I participated in, I decided on “not” going forward). But ultimately, it’s his decision to run them. Nobody made him. As soon as you have participants, you MUST give up a certain amount of yourself in the contest. It’s no longer just “your” contest, it’s the contest of everyone who put time into practicing and filming a segment. You have invited other people to be “stakeholders”, and you are accepting the responsibilities that go with it. Take it a step further, now there are outside judges invited to participate (there was even a sign-up). Now it’s REALLY not just “your” contest anymore. I don’t care if you started it and planted the seeds… you have to accept a certain amount of decision-making by consensus. The participants are expecting certain things (for example, judging by a panel of volunteers), the judges are expecting certain things (guidelines, deadlines, videos to judge). To not give these stakeholders consideration is an act of incredible narcissism and self-entitlement. The good thing is… Zorro will have the chance to learn from all of this, and I hope he takes that opportunity instead of getting all bent out of shape and playing the victim (or sole stakeholder) as we have seen him do before. It shouldn’t be about hurt feelings at this point in time, it’s about seeing something through and then learning from it. If seeing it through means arbitrarily picking a favourite, at least it will be completed. But it’s still weak sauce. * * * vegabomb really said it best… changing horses midstream is always ill-advised. That’s one of the best lessons to learn from this. ---
**Author:** ![Zorro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zorro/32/206266_2.png) [@Zorro](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Zorro)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 8:03pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/zorros-2014-freestyle-contest/64388/671 "2014-04-21T20:03:11Z")
> [@stuarttw](#): > > ``` > Personally I think that Zorro just has had to work a lot to do this contest. I don't see why he should have to pick the winner too. In my very humble opinion the judges should still judge, but if Zorro decides to pick the winners himself, it's up to him. I believe that the judges should still judge because it's way more accurate when scoring is happening, rather than get bias points just because there's only one judge. Just throwing this out there. > > ``` I would love for the judges to judge. As you guys have been saying, all I should do is just let them judge. Well, I have sent PMs and made posts telling them to judge. THEY HAVE NOT DONE ONE THING YET! So, now I ask, who’s fault is it that there are no results? ---
**Author:** ![Zorro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zorro/32/206266_2.png) [@Zorro](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Zorro)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/zorros-2014-freestyle-contest/64388/672 "2014-04-21T20:04:16Z")
P.S. If you all don’t like the way this is run. Leave. It just means less work for me. \>:( ---
**Author:** ![Mazdarx7FD](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mazdarx7fd/32/43086_2.png) [@Mazdarx7FD](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mazdarx7FD)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/zorros-2014-freestyle-contest/64388/673 "2014-04-21T20:05:32Z")
😛 ---
**Author:** ![Nemyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nemyo/32/14407_2.png) [@Nemyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Nemyo)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 8:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/zorros-2014-freestyle-contest/64388/674 "2014-04-21T20:10:37Z")
the thing is, zorro, that i did my finals the way i did because i thought people would be clicking it and judging it because i just wanted to see how many points i got in it. I would have done my finals far more different if I had known you would have just picked your favorite one, because i would have done more visually-appealing tricks instead of technical-istic stuff. ---
**Author:** ![55379](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/55379/32/1154_2.png) [@55379](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/55379)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 8:54pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/zorros-2014-freestyle-contest/64388/675 "2014-04-21T20:54:34Z")
> [@owngry](#): > > the thing is, zorro, that i did my finals the way i did because i thought people would be clicking it and judging it because i just wanted to see how many points i got in it. I would have done my finals far more different if I had known you would have just picked your favorite one, because i would have done more visually-appealing tricks instead of technical-istic stuff. i did as well. I agree. I would have done more flashy tricks instead of tech tricks ---
**Author:** ![stuarttw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@stuarttw](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stuarttw)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/zorros-2014-freestyle-contest/64388/676 "2014-04-21T21:17:41Z")
Like Zorro said, if you have a complaint, complain to the judges if they aren’t getting scores in… ---
**Author:** ![stuarttw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@stuarttw](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stuarttw)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/zorros-2014-freestyle-contest/64388/677 "2014-04-21T21:22:09Z")
Why can’t people just have fun with this thing?? ---
**Author:** ![Nemyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nemyo/32/14407_2.png) [@Nemyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Nemyo)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/zorros-2014-freestyle-contest/64388/678 "2014-04-21T21:31:00Z")
> [@stuarttw](#): > > Why can’t people just have fun with this thing?? That was the idea. I did have fun, I just want it to be judged the way it was advertised. ---
**Author:** ![stuarttw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@stuarttw](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stuarttw)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/zorros-2014-freestyle-contest/64388/679 "2014-04-21T21:33:06Z")
> [@owngry](#): > > That was the idea. I did have fun, I just want it to be judged the way it was advertised. well if you’re having fun there’s nothing wrong, but i see where you’re coming from ---
**Author:** ![cbaxt98](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/cbaxt98/32/14060_2.png) [@cbaxt98](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/cbaxt98)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/zorros-2014-freestyle-contest/64388/680 "2014-04-22T15:34:45Z")
I’ve only received one message and it was before the contest even started… ---
**Author:** ![55379](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/55379/32/1154_2.png) [@55379](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/55379)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/zorros-2014-freestyle-contest/64388/681 "2014-04-22T23:56:11Z")
Zorro, can you please put the results up ASAP. Because your the only one who’s got to pick and it’s not 20 vids. It’s 7. That shouldnt take that long. [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/zorros-2014-freestyle-contest/64388.md?page=33) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/zorros-2014-freestyle-contest/64388.md?page=35)