# yyf shutter or ducan echo 2?
**URL:** https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-shutter-or-ducan-echo-2/64124
**Category:** General Yo-Yo
**Created:** [February 24, 2014, 1:23am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-shutter-or-ducan-echo-2/64124 "2014-02-24T01:23:11Z")
**Posts on this page:** 5
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### Author:  [@utahnYoyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/utahnYoyo)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2014, 1:23am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-shutter-or-ducan-echo-2/64124/1 "2014-02-24T01:23:11Z")
which one do you prefer and why?
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### Author:  [@yoyoguy1234321](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyoguy1234321)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2014, 1:31am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-shutter-or-ducan-echo-2/64124/2 "2014-02-24T01:31:17Z")
The shutter is the better one. It’s stable, has a long sleep time and is good for grinds.
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### Author:  [@chrt222](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/chrt222)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2014, 1:44am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-shutter-or-ducan-echo-2/64124/3 "2014-02-24T01:44:18Z")
Haven’t tried echo 2, BUT! Shutter is a very safe/not to mention good choice,
does not have the bearing grip of death like other YYFs
if you get blasted edition it grinds like a champ.
easy to thumb grind/IRG either on the lip or the center hub as well
it can go pretty fast
and it has a nice wide feeling for me (like when you do eli hops it feels a bit easier or maybe im just getting good at them!)
Lastly just watch Gentry Stein use it.
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### Author:  [@utahnYoyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/utahnYoyo)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2014, 1:49am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-shutter-or-ducan-echo-2/64124/4 "2014-02-24T01:49:03Z")
> [@chrt222](#):
>
> Haven’t tried echo 2, BUT! Shutter is a very safe/not to mention good choice,
>
> does not have the bearing grip of death like other YYFs
> if you get blasted edition it grinds like a champ.
> easy to thumb grind/IRG either on the lip or the center hub as well
> it can go pretty fast
> and it has a nice wide feeling for me (like when you do eli hops it feels a bit easier or maybe im just getting good at them!)
>
> Lastly just watch Gentry Stein use it.
haha thanks man ;D
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### Author:  [@The\_Yoyo\_Nerd](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/The_Yoyo_Nerd)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2014, 1:58am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-shutter-or-ducan-echo-2/64124/5 "2014-02-24T01:58:05Z")
> [@chrt222](#):
>
> Haven’t tried echo 2, BUT! Shutter is a very safe/not to mention good choice,
>
> does not have the bearing grip of death like other YYFs
> if you get blasted edition it grinds like a champ.
> easy to thumb grind/IRG either on the lip or the center hub as well
> it can go pretty fast
> and it has a nice wide feeling for me (like when you do eli hops it feels a bit easier or maybe im just getting good at them!)
>
> Lastly just watch Gentry Stein use it.
I have to agree with you on that