# YYF Ricochet **URL:** \ **Category:** Yo-Yo Reviews\ **Created:** [March 20, 2013, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ricochet/51073 "2013-03-20T16:59:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![yoyospirit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyospirit/32/219875_2.png) [@yoyospirit](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyospirit)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2013, 5:56am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ricochet/51073/102 "2013-07-06T05:56:47Z")
> [@saintrobyn](#): > > I polished my Soveriegn up with Mother’s Polish and it had pretty much that level of shine. I don’t know of different variants of titanium polish better than others. Hmm, that’s strange. I worked with the Rec Rev titanium yoyo, but couldn’t even come close to what I would get on an aluminum yoyo. I might give Never Dull a shot. ---
**Author:** ![iYoYo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/ecc23a/32.png) [@iYoYo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/iYoYo)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2013, 8:14am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ricochet/51073/103 "2013-07-06T08:14:29Z")
> [@yoyospirit](#): > > > [@saintrobyn](#): > > > > I polished my Soveriegn up with Mother’s Polish and it had pretty much that level of shine. I don’t know of different variants of titanium polish better than others. > > Hmm, that’s strange. I worked with the Rec Rev titanium yoyo, but couldn’t even come close to what I would get on an aluminum yoyo. I might give Never Dull a shot. Titanium, or any other metals, are normally combined with other metals to create specific alloys. Gold for example is never used in its pure form because it’s too soft therefore it’s combined with other metals to create a mixture with greater resistance, tensile strength, or in your case, different appearance. Anyways, I have a question for ricochet owners. How well does it take sparking? I’m planning on sparking mine but after seeing Sanchez202’s spark marks(page 3), I’m starting to have second thoughts. ---
**Author:** ![saintrobyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/saintrobyn/32/54_2.png) [@saintrobyn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/saintrobyn)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2013, 8:26am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ricochet/51073/104 "2013-07-06T08:26:34Z")
> [@iYoYo](#): > > Titanium, or any other metals, are normally combined with other metals to create specific alloys. Gold for example is never used in its pure form because it’s too soft therefore it’s combined with other metals to create a mixture with greater resistance, tensile strength, or in your case, different appearance. > > Anyways, I have a question for ricochet owners. How well does it take sparking? I’m planning on sparking mine but after seeing Sanchez202’s spark marks(page 3), I’m starting to have second thoughts. Just going off of the other titaniums I have used, the raw Ricochet will take the sparking a lot better than the anodized. You can polish the raw back to almost new leaving just the faintest scratches after a light bit of sparking. As with anything the more you spark the more prominent the markings afterwards. ---
**Author:** ![Totalartist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/totalartist/32/1054_2.png) [@Totalartist](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Totalartist)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2013, 8:31am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ricochet/51073/105 "2013-07-06T08:31:32Z")
> [@reefyo](#): > > > [@TotalArtist](#): > > > > Well…I have to admit that some of it is ridiculous, but at the same time Ben posted a thread in the “review” section about his yo-yo that he is selling on this site. Anyone who has not bought the yo-yo to review, who does not like Ben’s personality, or has demands they want to make outside of a review…should stay out of the thread. When they don’t, they appear to me to be making trouble. Ben is the OP in this thread, and he, no doubt, belongs in here. There should just be a way to just ban specific people from specific threads. Especially if they have a past offense of causing a thread scrubbing. People who want to discuss the Ricochet, who actually bought it, should not have to view the rest of the nonsense. As I stated before, this must be a publicity stunt, because nothing else makes sense. > > I remember not to long ago you saying on another thread ( about an egyptian kid…); that this was a forum and that everybody was allowed to express his opinion or thoughts, where is the difference here? You seem to be always preaching what people can or cannot do. I knew you’d rear your head again. So let me correct you once again. In this thread, everyone expressed their opinions already, and the thread got back on track and back on topic too. That is the point you don’t seem to be getting. All that happened prior just recently in this thread, happened long ago when a thread scrubbing took place. Everyone voiced their opinions long ago. So, don’t pop in here like you are aware, and try to bring up old threads that you had practically nothing to say in. You let someone else do all the talking in that thread too, and you just hit the “thank you” button or quoted with a “lol.” I haven’t forgotten. Now, you want to start drama off topic yourself. As you can see, I’m not going anywhere, so if you have something to say I’ll “preach” that you can say it. I’ll also say what I have to say too, because I’m not going anywhere. You also don’t seem to get the point that Ben is in his own thread, posting about his own yo-yo. Anyone else is ruining the conversation with off topic banter. Also, I’m not sure if you have trouble with reading, and you must, because I never said what anyone “can” or “cannot” do. In fact, I gave my opinion about what I think “should” be. That is the difference. So my preaching is as consistent here as it has been anywhere else. Read before you post. And, next time type more than three lines…it might make a lot better sense. How many times did I use “should” in that quote? There you have it. You’re a troll, because you said nothing at all about the Ricochet…and popped out of nowhere to say that garbage. I’m glad to know you’re still not over the Egyptian kid thread. I’m not the one who had that locked. Looks like the sale is over…I hope you guys bought a Ricochet…cause I did. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SR1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/sr1/32/104603_2.png) [@SR1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SR1)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2013, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ricochet/51073/106 "2013-07-06T08:35:27Z")
Haha this thread. This thread. ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/3/f/7/3f7cb2fd0dcd61c302c95156fc8ee8fa6e2f66b2.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Totalartist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/totalartist/32/1054_2.png) [@Totalartist](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Totalartist)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2013, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ricochet/51073/107 "2013-07-06T08:52:09Z")
> [@theTopo](#): > > From Yoyofactoryben Ben’s FB: > > > [@](#): > > > > Deleted my YoYoExpert forum account. This is the only yoyo message board I had continued to read. I have been an active contributor on yoyo message boards since 1998. > > > > Trolls gotta come to me now 🙂 > > Does that mean you won saintrobyn?..even if you didn’t manage to convince him to cut up a yoyo you’ll never buy, for the sake of your curiosity. > > Although I didn’t always agree with him I quite liked having Ben post here. I felt it was a good place for him to share info about YYF and it was always interesting having such an experienced yoyoer give his opinions on other topics as well, 'specially since he was part of the scene before almost anyone else here. > > saintrobyn, I wish you all the best with your libel lawsuit as it’s clear Ben has seriously damaged your reputation by incorrectly claiming you have a grudge against them cause they didn’t send you free yoyos, when in fact you have a grudge against them for other reasons :🙂 Not that often you get to have a chat with the guy who made a good yo-yo. Especially, if you’re one of the people who actually bought one and you want to discuss it. What a shame indeed. Well, I’m in here for the long haul…so I might as well continue to talk to Reefyo. 😃 This thread went down hill pages ago anyway. ---
**Author:** ![TheYoYoist101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/theyoyoist101/32/842_2.png) [@TheYoYoist101](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TheYoYoist101)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2013, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ricochet/51073/108 "2013-07-06T09:49:12Z")
You guys are so cute when you bicker! =^-^= ---
**Author:** ![DrAwesome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/drawesome/32/1139_2.png) [@DrAwesome](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/DrAwesome)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2013, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ricochet/51073/109 "2013-07-06T16:53:32Z")
I wonder if anyone has tried to stack theirs yet? ---
**Author:** ![JetEyeNight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3ab097/32.png) [@JetEyeNight](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JetEyeNight)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2013, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ricochet/51073/110 "2013-07-06T18:29:10Z")
> [@yoyofactoryben](#): > > > [@JetEyeNight](#): > > > > So this question goes to Ben With that being said, there must be factory rejects. These often get sold as b-grades, correct? Are you selling any b-grade Ricochets? If yes, where can I get one? If no, then what are you doing with the factory rejects? With your resources it seems it would take almost no cost and no effort to have one cut in half and snap a quick picture and post it. For me to buy one and then cut it in half would defeat the purpose altogether. > > > > From what I’ve seen so far, I really don’t have any interest in owning a Ricochet. Too small and has an uninteresting shape, IMO. The only thing it appears to have going for it is you can spark it. The price shouldn’t be this high for something made in China. The Tiwalker was $200 and has a lot more going for it. > > Thank you for a great series of questions. > > We only accepted good yoyos, there for we have no b-grade (actually we had one, it was stolen from BAC). The rest were scrap. As you know titanium has a high metal price cost, the scrap value is significant. > > > [@](#): > > > > With your resources it seems it would take almost no cost and no effort to have one cut in half and snap a quick picture and post it. > > Its still a $200 yoyo. You want me to take mine and cut it up? The person leading this charge is carries a serious grudge against yoyofactory (stemming back to a time we wouldn’t send him free yoyos to ‘review’) I see no reason to fulfil his demands (and destroy my $200 yoyo). > > > [@](#): > > > > I really don’t have any interest in owning a Ricochet. > > I really have no interest in cutting a yoyo up you are not interested in. > > > [@](#): > > > > The price shouldn’t be this high for something made in China. The Tiwalker was $200 and has a lot more going for it. > > Great, go buy a TiWalker… whats that? you can’t? why? perhaps because at $200 retail there was no incentive to produce more? Thats why there are not more titanium yoyos on the market. People have been selling them for a WAY smaller margin than they do aluminum yoyos. > > Guess what… we wont be making more titanium yoyos in the foreseeable either. Soon players wont be able to buy one if they want. Is that a good thing? No I don’t want you to cut your own up. I was hoping you had a factory reject lying around you could cut up to change my mind and show me why I should be interested. You could probably maKe a more interesting Ti and charge anything you nedded to to make it profitable and it would probably still sell. So I’m unclear as to why you’re not planning to make more ---
**Author:** ![mynameisjoey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mynameisjoey/32/86921_2.png) [@mynameisjoey](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mynameisjoey)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2013, 12:55am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ricochet/51073/111 "2013-07-07T00:55:38Z")
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**Author:** ![YoYoJordan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyojordan/32/123867_2.png) [@YoYoJordan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoYoJordan)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2013, 4:44am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ricochet/51073/112 "2013-07-07T04:44:06Z")
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**Author:** ![Mikers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/958977/32.png) [@Mikers](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mikers)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2013, 5:41am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ricochet/51073/113 "2013-07-07T05:41:44Z")
Can I chalk this up as a win then, since nobody else wants it? I mean the dude wouldn’t even answer my simple request directly above his last post ever… ---
**Author:** ![Totalartist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/totalartist/32/1054_2.png) [@Totalartist](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Totalartist)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2013, 6:13am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ricochet/51073/114 "2013-07-07T06:13:22Z")
> [@Mikers](#): > > Can I chalk this up as a win then, since nobody else wants it? I mean the dude wouldn’t even answer my simple request directly above his last post ever… No. 😃 The Ricochet is selling, thanks to you guys. Ben left, to laugh all the way to the bank. ---
**Author:** ![JetEyeNight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3ab097/32.png) [@JetEyeNight](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JetEyeNight)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2013, 7:11am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ricochet/51073/115 "2013-07-07T07:11:25Z")
> [@TotalArtist](#): > > > [@Mikers](#): > > > > Can I chalk this up as a win then, since nobody else wants it? I mean the dude wouldn’t even answer my simple request directly above his last post ever… > > No. 😃 The Ricochet is selling, thanks to you guys. Ben left, to laugh all the way to the bank. Are you getting some kickbacks from yyf? Ben left ensuring I wouldn’t buy another one of his throws. His condescending attitude towards his customers is appauling. ---
**Author:** ![Totalartist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/totalartist/32/1054_2.png) [@Totalartist](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Totalartist)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2013, 7:34am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ricochet/51073/116 "2013-07-07T07:34:58Z")
> [@JetEyeNight](#): > > > [@TotalArtist](#): > > > > > [@Mikers](#): > > > > > > Can I chalk this up as a win then, since nobody else wants it? I mean the dude wouldn’t even answer my simple request directly above his last post ever… > > > > No.  😃 The Ricochet is selling, thanks to you guys.  Ben left, to laugh all the way to the bank. > > Are you getting some kickbacks from yyf? > > Ben left ensuring I wouldn’t buy another one of his throws. His condescending attitude towards his customers is appauling. No. I don’t really do kickbacks. I just speak my mind one way or the other. I don’t think Ben is condescending JetEye. I have read the forum for the past year and a half, and correct me if I missed something that happened prior. But, a lot of people on the forum seem to have the attitude that because Ben sells a lot of throws, he should bend over backward, comply with evey request no matter how unreasonable, and do everything short of kiss their feet.  Maybe that too.  But, for me personally, these people conducting business owe you nothing but a good product and descent customer service in the event of some rare occurrence it might be necessary.  I tend to prefer doing business with Type A personalities.  If a person shows up to sell me something, I don’t need them to be personable, do everything I say or anything like that.  I just need them to do their job and do it well.  I, personally, think Ben’s attitude matches the way he is treated in many instances.  He is human and I admire his courage to stick up for himself and put his foot down.  It just seems a lot of people like to have power and control tug of wars with Ben.  Ben sells to a community of people far beyond the people who read the forum, or even use the internet at all.  So, nothing said on here will keep him from selling his yo-yos.  If you choose not to buy YoyoFactory because of Ben’s online persona, I think it is your loss.  I just don’t see the benefit of a decision that has nothing to do with his products or his dealing with a product issue after you bought something.  Usually, if I don’t like someone, I stay out of their way, unless they bring drama my way first.  Then, in that case, they get what they deserve.  I buy Yoyofactory, and have over 25 of their yo-yos, but still don’t think Ben owes me anything but a good product and good customer service.  I can ask Ben to post a video of himself doing a handstand with a yo-yo, but other than trying to feel in “control” there is no reason to make that request and expect him to comply.  For every person who no longer buys YoyoFactory, he will gain one.  I can say that the probably $2000 I spent on Yoyofactory is worth nothing in the grand scheme of things.  And, after spending that, I don’t feel like I bought Ben as a puppet on a string.  I like YoyoFactory more because of this thread, and his willingness to just say “no,” when he should.  I like it when people stick up for themselves.  That is kickback enough for someone like me.  😃 All your favorite yo-yo manufacturers should take marketing notes from YoyofactoryBen: > **[Official YYF Pro Packs Topic UPDATE:GENTRY STEIN PACK $60](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/forums/index.php/topic,57953.msg606035.html)** > > I wrote a review of the Yoyofactory promotion. I’m not sure if I should post in the review section, or here, but I’ll put it here for now. This is from my point of view of course: Review of YoyoFactory Pro Packs Sale on YoyoExpert This is my full... ---
**Author:** ![doompod](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f8ce5/32.png) [@doompod](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/doompod)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2013, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ricochet/51073/117 "2013-07-07T15:36:02Z")
From what I see Ben is not “sticking up” for himself He was asked if there was a B grade lying around that he could cut. All he needed to say was no, but he decided to take it personally. And the sad thing is him loosing one customer won’t make a difference at all and he can therefore get away with mis-treating a potential customer. ---
**Author:** ![Totalartist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/totalartist/32/1054_2.png) [@Totalartist](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Totalartist)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2013, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ricochet/51073/118 "2013-07-07T15:55:00Z")
He definitely said a clear and convincing “No.” At least that’s what I read. Especially if he has said “no” more than once, then if he has to repeat himself, he has every right to say no in various different ways. If you don’t understand “no,” the first time, it might be repeated in such a way that you’d get the message and stop asking the same thing over and over again. I have no problem with his responses. He could have gotten extremely nasty, or ignored them, but he did neither. I don’t like repeating myself either, but depending on your audience, you may need to say it a few different ways. Part of the game becomes, when he says “no,” when the request is not granted, instead of having a problem with the “no,” people will find a brand new problem, and take issue with the way he said “no.” I’ve seen this in life too many times before. Now it becomes, “yeah, he had a right to say no…but I don’t like the way he said it.” :🙂 But, you’re right, he may lose a customer. But, for every one he loses, he gains one too. I see manufacturers on the forum pop on here and chat with you only when they have a new release to promote, or not ever. But, Ben who gets on here now and then regardless, and actually digests some suggestions from people, gets picked on for his personality. Some of your favorite manufacturers show no personality to you at all…barely give you the time of day on the forum. Then, when they do, honestly in those rare moments, I’ve seen some personalities I don’t care for that much either. They type a three word answer to you you…maybe…then disappear. At least with Ben, he will school you guys, drop some knowledge on you about yo-yo history. I’ve seen Ben come on here and drop knowledge in a thread, and shut the whole thread up. I have greater respect for smart people than nice people. Nice is often a facade anyway. It’s too hard to fake smart. Ben knows his business, and he shows his thanks by giving you some great deals and introducing you the next great release. He owes us no more than that. Every time you hear something you don’t want to hear, it’s not “mistreatment.” Every time you say “jump Ben,” and he doesn’t ask how high…it’s not a mistreatment. People are asking him the same questions over and over again, and it’s not very nice to people who actually bought the yo-yo. I might have a question too, so I feel mistreated too, now my questions are not answered…anybody care? Of course not. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Mikers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/958977/32.png) [@Mikers](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mikers)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2013, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ricochet/51073/119 "2013-07-07T16:06:14Z")
[quote=“TotalArtist,post:118,topic:51073”] Could have gotten extremely nasty, or ignored them, but he did neither. I don’t like repeating myself either, but depending on your audience, you may need to say it a few different ways. [quote/] He straight up ignored me. I never asked him to cut something up. Ben’s been ignoring me in these forums for years, YEARS. This is not anything new, kid. Your long-winded doting posts about that man are hilarious to me. ---
**Author:** ![Totalartist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/totalartist/32/1054_2.png) [@Totalartist](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Totalartist)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2013, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ricochet/51073/120 "2013-07-07T16:20:17Z")
Your short posts are not even hilarious, so if mine are hilarious, at least they are entertaining. Yours are useless “kid.” I would ignore you too, but I’m bored today. So, I answered you. Feel better? Cry me a river. Boo hoo…you were ignored. And you call me doting, while you are sad about not getting some attention from Ben. Now we know the real reason you don’t like YoyoFactory. 😢 There’s a kid looking for you in the trader feedback section. I was going to PM you and give you a heads up. Message me, cause I can show you how to properly use that quote button. 🙂 Free…no charge. ---
**Author:** ![Totalartist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/totalartist/32/1054_2.png) [@Totalartist](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Totalartist)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2013, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ricochet/51073/121 "2013-07-07T16:28:01Z")
Now you can dislike me all day, because I have a mind of my own, and not on the hater bandwagon. I’m just speaking the truth. ;D But in other news… 😃 I saw Stickman’s post in the Titanium list thread, and he has almost all of the titaniums that have been released. I asked him what he thought of the Ricochet. I’m still waiting to get mine in the mail (according to tracking, it should get here tomorrow). He said he knows I’ll be happy with it, and while many of these titanium throws are undersized, and he is not a big fan of undersized, he said due to the weight it has…he still enjoys it. He is one of a few people who can actually compare this yo-yo to other titaniums, and review it from that perspective. He is enjoying the Ricochet. I like undersized…they used to be my favorite, but now I prefer mid-sized. I will update tomorrow on the arrival of the Ricochet. [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ricochet/51073.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ricochet/51073.md?page=7)