# YYF Ben wasn’t kidding (YYF made a lot of Genesis variants) **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [September 9, 2019, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ben-wasn-t-kidding-yyf-made-a-lot-of-genesis-variants/307984 "2019-09-09T18:01:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Durfee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/durfee/32/593280_2.png) [@Durfee](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Durfee)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ben-wasn-t-kidding-yyf-made-a-lot-of-genesis-variants/307984/1 "2019-09-09T18:01:24Z")
Edit for clarification: so Ben remarked below that the Superstar and SuperNova was designed apart from the Genesis but that the Catalyst, Super G and Rockstar were definitely cut from the Genesis’ cloth, so I replaced the Superstar with the Rockstar here and dropped the Nova. Also the G5 and GM2s came before the Genesis obviously. @yyfben2.deactivated made a comment somewhat recently that at one point everyone on the team just wanted a Genesis as their signature and that this just wasn’t realistic from a business perspective. > [@Bi-metal shutter confirmed](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/bi-metal-shutter-confirmed/307462/69): > > At one stage everyone on our team just wanted a yoyo that looked and played like a genesis… that isn’t realistic and its my job to crush dreams. Here’s the apparent result of that: Super G ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/3/0/4/3042aaeb328d0ea4153f6ede7386168c7e220142.jpeg) G Funk ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/6/0/a/60ada895d3e2e1a78fa4be17d9090d6663067b86.jpeg) Catalyst ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/2/f/e/2fe50bc66afeefc23651480b362b5de6ab8e09af.jpeg) Grind Mutant 2 (I think) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/c/2/b/c2bdf2cf56380db5297ee5f67bef3d6fed68917e.jpeg) Grind Machine 2 (I think) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/5/2/1/521bc923124bda1a4ce81d56c50c96bf89dd51d4.jpeg) Rockstar ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/f/2/d/f2d8b2247a6ecf3ea05bfa5d0119601f55572a6f.jpeg) Yuuksta ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/8/1/4/81410b295b4881058a772e3bdc7cbf02cf58ce62.jpeg) Aviator and Aviator 2 ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/7/e/4/7e4985d72d927dc1947f7da891894811f1f02a29.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/9/c/d/9cd70741ef48ccd1256ff8e24f7f82461f8ef05d.jpeg) ReGen ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/5/6/f/56fd912017dfeb54af461f36ef56450d7ae0893d.jpeg) There are definitely others too but you get the idea. Genesis is definitely one of the most influential yo-yo designs ever. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ben-wasn-t-kidding-yyf-made-a-lot-of-genesis-variants/307984/2 "2019-09-09T18:03:37Z")
Dat H shape! :heart: If only I could get my hands on one of those red b-grades… 😖 ---
**Author:** ![vegabomb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/vegabomb/32/199_2.png) [@vegabomb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/vegabomb)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ben-wasn-t-kidding-yyf-made-a-lot-of-genesis-variants/307984/3 "2019-09-09T18:07:17Z")
Agreed. It’s an iconic design. It really kind of stems from the G5/G.5. (G.5 is the first pic, G5 is second) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/0/4/7/04785bf6aeec8dd2f74130d4dffe91dc78a7399b.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/c/4/f/c4f0a6ae32d34da6309478acc0d2e617eadb527a.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Durfee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/durfee/32/593280_2.png) [@Durfee](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Durfee)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ben-wasn-t-kidding-yyf-made-a-lot-of-genesis-variants/307984/4 "2019-09-09T18:08:41Z")
Yeah I definitely considered throwing the G5 in as a reference point. I can’t recall, what came first the GM2s or the G5? ---
**Author:** ![vegabomb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/vegabomb/32/199_2.png) [@vegabomb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/vegabomb)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ben-wasn-t-kidding-yyf-made-a-lot-of-genesis-variants/307984/5 "2019-09-09T18:09:37Z")
The G5 did I believe. ---
**Author:** ![Durfee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/durfee/32/593280_2.png) [@Durfee](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Durfee)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ben-wasn-t-kidding-yyf-made-a-lot-of-genesis-variants/307984/6 "2019-09-09T18:11:40Z")
I just love how YYFs designs all seem like logical extensions of previous designs they’ve worked on. I don’t get the negative attitude some people have toward them, they’re really the foundation of modern yoyoing in a lot of ways, along with YYJ. ---
**Author:** ![hobbygod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hobbygod/32/120997_2.png) [@hobbygod](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/hobbygod)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ben-wasn-t-kidding-yyf-made-a-lot-of-genesis-variants/307984/7 "2019-09-09T18:18:54Z")
Genesis is a great throw. Still have my jason lee supernova. Its still a blast and still on par with a lot of competition models today. ---
**Author:** ![vegabomb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/vegabomb/32/199_2.png) [@vegabomb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/vegabomb)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ben-wasn-t-kidding-yyf-made-a-lot-of-genesis-variants/307984/8 "2019-09-09T18:25:01Z")
> [@hobbygod](#): > > Genesis is a great throw. Agreed, I still have (somewhere) my Purple Rain edition. Which may have been the first edition? Can’t remember for sure. ---
**Author:** ![yyfben2.deactivated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ccd318/32.png) [@yyfben2.deactivated](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yyfben2.deactivated)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ben-wasn-t-kidding-yyf-made-a-lot-of-genesis-variants/307984/9 "2019-09-09T18:29:48Z")
G5/grind mutant 2 came first. Grind machine 2 was the one most followed from. The catalyst, rockstar and super G were all run on modified cutting paths of genesis. All the same yoyo, just different shape. Superstar and supernova was different and all drawn from ground up, but not in a bubble. There are way more similar to this we made lol. We also made lots of radically different too tho ---
**Author:** ![Durfee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/durfee/32/593280_2.png) [@Durfee](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Durfee)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ben-wasn-t-kidding-yyf-made-a-lot-of-genesis-variants/307984/10 "2019-09-09T18:32:46Z")
I’m not trying to say anything negative, just highlighting that to me it seemed like you were able to satisfy your players desire for yo-yos similar in nature to the Genesis while making them unique enough that they are really a different product. There’s definitely tons of stuff you guys have put out that’s nowhere close to the Genesis. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ben-wasn-t-kidding-yyf-made-a-lot-of-genesis-variants/307984/11 "2019-09-09T18:32:59Z")
Out of curiosity, what was the first mass-produced aluminum yoyo to hit the market? ---
**Author:** ![hobbygod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hobbygod/32/120997_2.png) [@hobbygod](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/hobbygod)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ben-wasn-t-kidding-yyf-made-a-lot-of-genesis-variants/307984/12 "2019-09-09T18:38:44Z")
I know the one I have was first, and released the same time as.another color, but i dont remember what color way. I think it may have been a black and gold but i dont remember ---
**Author:** ![Durfee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/durfee/32/593280_2.png) [@Durfee](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Durfee)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ben-wasn-t-kidding-yyf-made-a-lot-of-genesis-variants/307984/13 "2019-09-09T18:43:24Z")
My Genesis is the best Genesis ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/3/e/b/3eb0400b6cf045d3b5ddefb887b2a22294ee0b30.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Durfee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/durfee/32/593280_2.png) [@Durfee](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Durfee)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ben-wasn-t-kidding-yyf-made-a-lot-of-genesis-variants/307984/14 "2019-09-09T18:44:43Z")
SB2 maybe? ---
**Author:** ![burninwaffles](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/burninwaffles/32/14022_2.png) [@burninwaffles](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/burninwaffles)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ben-wasn-t-kidding-yyf-made-a-lot-of-genesis-variants/307984/15 "2019-09-09T19:00:59Z")
This post is dope. You should look into all the companies that also made variants :wink: 🤣 Just playing around 🙃 ---
**Author:** ![Durfee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/durfee/32/593280_2.png) [@Durfee](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Durfee)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ben-wasn-t-kidding-yyf-made-a-lot-of-genesis-variants/307984/16 "2019-09-09T19:17:31Z")
You’re not lying though ---
**Author:** ![d34dj3d](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/d34dj3d/32/105169_2.png) [@d34dj3d](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/d34dj3d)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ben-wasn-t-kidding-yyf-made-a-lot-of-genesis-variants/307984/17 "2019-09-09T19:38:22Z")
I’ve been interested in the history of all these yyf variants for a while now. I remarked on it in a different topic not long ago. > [@Unpopular Yoyo Opinions](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1269): > > I see where you and @hobbygod are coming from on this, I get that feeling from the old yyf h-shaped throws. 888 → OG Genesis/GM 2 → G5 → Super G and G Func, this may not be chronologically correct, but if you play them them together you can definitely see how they were trying different designs from more organic to more extreme H shapes to optimize different aspects. They are still playing around this with the new genesis, new DNA, Ti 888, etc. I just really love all the yyf throws from that 888 … ---
**Author:** ![vegabomb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/vegabomb/32/199_2.png) [@vegabomb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/vegabomb)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ben-wasn-t-kidding-yyf-made-a-lot-of-genesis-variants/307984/18 "2019-09-09T19:38:56Z")
> [@Durfee](#): > > SB maybe? Fixed! ---
**Author:** ![Nathan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nathan/32/191605_2.png) [@Nathan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Nathan)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ben-wasn-t-kidding-yyf-made-a-lot-of-genesis-variants/307984/19 "2019-09-09T20:20:57Z")
If it’s broad pad it’s from the first run. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2019, 9:25pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ben-wasn-t-kidding-yyf-made-a-lot-of-genesis-variants/307984/20 "2019-09-09T21:25:04Z")
It’s also an H shape which is somewhat rare these days, though I’d kinda distinguish based on the angle from respose pad to rim. I don’t think the G5 is really related for that reason, it’s more organic with fat rims, kinda like the Ti-Vayder etc. [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yyf-ben-wasn-t-kidding-yyf-made-a-lot-of-genesis-variants/307984.md?page=2)