# YoyoRecreation or Turning point? **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [May 16, 2013, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-or-turning-point/53689 "2013-05-16T22:13:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-or-turning-point/53689/1 "2013-05-16T22:13:42Z")
I have been looking at one of these companies and thought about a messiah or solenoid. I like yoyos that can be quick, flowy, good for 5a(planing to do 5a but its a small concern), and has soul. I don’t care about size though. ---
**Author:** ![yuki\_onitsura](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yuki_onitsura/32/1162_2.png) [@yuki\_onitsura](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yuki_onitsura)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-or-turning-point/53689/2 "2013-05-16T22:42:16Z")
Here come the YYR and TP fanboys… In all seriousness though, I haven’t had a chance to try a Messiah but I do own a Solenoid. It’s quick enough but it’s not really a speedy throw. If you’re going to go the TP route, the Positron probably fits your preferences a little better. Don’t really play 5A so can’t really tell you much about that but just know that both the Solenoid and Positron are plenty stable (which I believe is especially desirable in a 5A throw, no?). Yuki ---
**Author:** ![Eastfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/eastfield/32/1158_2.png) [@Eastfield](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Eastfield)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-or-turning-point/53689/3 "2013-05-16T23:50:55Z")
Haven’t tried the Solenoid! The Messiah is an undersized beast. Probably the best in its size-class, really. The Solenoid was made as the more stable, longer spinning brother of the positron, which means that it might not be that fast… ---
**Author:** ![YoyoGeezer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyogeezer/32/755_2.png) [@YoyoGeezer](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoyoGeezer)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 5:25am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-or-turning-point/53689/4 "2013-05-19T05:25:15Z")
I love my Solenoid. It is probably my favorite all-around TP. To me, it is like the CLYW Avalanche in performance. I am not sure I would compare it to the Messiah though. As you said; the Messiah is small. Maybe the Gleipnir or Sleipnir is a better comparison? Also, to consider: the YYR Stargeyser is a little powerhouse too. ---
**Author:** ![yoyo143](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyo143/32/1384_2.png) [@yoyo143](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyo143)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2013, 5:47am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-or-turning-point/53689/5 "2013-05-24T05:47:36Z")
> [@yuki\_onitsura](#): > > Here come the YYR and TP fanboys… > > In all seriousness though, I haven’t had a chance to try a Messiah but I do own a Solenoid. It’s quick enough but it’s not really a speedy throw. If you’re going to go the TP route, the Positron probably fits your preferences a little better. Don’t really play 5A so can’t really tell you much about that but just know that both the Solenoid and Positron are plenty stable (which I believe is especially desirable in a 5A throw, no?). > > Yuki The positron is quite good, but a little expensive… Did you buy one yet! ---
**Author:** ![yuki\_onitsura](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yuki_onitsura/32/1162_2.png) [@yuki\_onitsura](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yuki_onitsura)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2013, 5:58am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-or-turning-point/53689/6 "2013-05-24T05:58:01Z")
> [@yoyo143](#): > > The positron is quite good, but a little expensive It’s in the same price bracket as most TP and YYR throws. Yuki ---
**Author:** ![NathanC](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nathanc/32/891_2.png) [@NathanC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/NathanC)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2013, 8:28am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-or-turning-point/53689/7 "2013-05-24T08:28:46Z")
Both. Really hoping to pick up a Turning Point here soon. Their modes of late just look amazing. ---
**Author:** ![sparhawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@sparhawk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/sparhawk)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2013, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-or-turning-point/53689/8 "2013-05-24T19:10:18Z")
Of the yoyorecreations I’ve owned none have really had soul I’d say and I haven’t found one that’s very quick either ---
**Author:** ![NathanC](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nathanc/32/891_2.png) [@NathanC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/NathanC)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2013, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-or-turning-point/53689/9 "2013-05-24T19:45:04Z")
> [@sparhawk](#): > > Of the yoyorecreations I’ve owned none have really had soul I’d say and I haven’t found one that’s very quick either Really? Played any of their lighter throws? I feel like some of their heavier throws can be a little lifeless, but that goes for most(all) heavyweights in my experience. My Uragment, Acrophobia, Perfectstar, Overdrive, e=mc2, Clashcube, etc. all feel fairly soulful. As far as quickness goes i’d say plenty do that as well, just watch some of their sponsored players competing, some amazing speed. ---
**Author:** ![theTopo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/thetopo/32/1065_2.png) [@theTopo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/theTopo)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2013, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-or-turning-point/53689/10 "2013-05-26T12:54:33Z")
In think the “soul” of a yoyo is more about the player than the yoyo. You build a yoyo up in your mind, or a associate it with players or a company you admire and you create the soul. Personally I find the YYR standard shape pretty boring and until recently almost all their throws had that same profile. Most of them play great though. The standard TP shape is a bit more interesting for me though I don’t find their performance to be anything special, at least not for their premium price. ---
**Author:** ![Bina](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/bina/32/933_2.png) [@Bina](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Bina)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2013, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-or-turning-point/53689/11 "2013-05-26T13:40:18Z")
Everyone should try isotope, really great work from Kentaro.