# YoYoRecreation Appreciation Thread
**URL:** https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-appreciation-thread/40764
**Category:** Collectors Corner
**Created:** [July 27, 2012, 1:55am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-appreciation-thread/40764 "2012-07-27T01:55:56Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 73
### Author:  [@RobK](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/RobK)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2013, 2:47am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-appreciation-thread/40764/1442 "2013-10-19T02:47:29Z")
> [@theTopo](#):
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> Wouldn’t a full size all steel yoyo weigh too much?
Perhaps they could try titanium.
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### Author:  [@andy569](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/andy569)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2013, 2:57am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-appreciation-thread/40764/1443 "2013-10-19T02:57:53Z")
> [@aznnboyaZ](#):
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> I actually did some critical thinking.
> I have a Draupinir too, and I just couldn’t understand. How on EARTH is it so powerful?! the answer actually does lie in the rims.
> The 2 densities of the alu, considering steel is SO much heavier it makes the Draupnir have the power of a 70g yoyo. the power reminds me of the Dreadnought G. Its that powerful.
> But, it can be so light at the same time, due to the much lighter density of the Alu. Very smart concept. More people need to use steel as a yoyo. Its quite a genius Design.
Gosh Wilson, stop making me so excited to try the draupnir ;D
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### Author:  [@YoyoGeezer](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoyoGeezer)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2013, 2:59am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-appreciation-thread/40764/1444 "2013-10-19T02:59:03Z")
> [@aznnboyaZ](#):
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> I wonder, what would become of a full steel YYR?
> They could tinker with weighting so so much, and create something extraordinary.
The real power comes from the fact that a ring has 2 X the rotational momentum of a disc. A regular yoyo is essentially a concave disc. Add to that a thin, dense ring (with twice the rotational momentum) and the result is the Draupnir. It is also the same formula that YYJ has been using with their plastic/metal metal/metal yo-yo’s for years. Making it fully out of one material would negate the gain made by the denser ring. It is the contrast of materials and shapes that gives it the increased stability and spin.
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### Author:  [@RobK](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/RobK)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2013, 3:07am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-appreciation-thread/40764/1445 "2013-10-19T03:07:34Z")
I don’t understand why it needs to be 2 different metals. The extreme weight distribuution seems possible with Ti. Perhaps not quite as good, but pretty good. They really should do one with Tungsten. I love my tungsten darts.
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### Author:  [@AzrinRain](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AzrinRain)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2013, 5:25am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-appreciation-thread/40764/1446 "2013-10-19T05:25:57Z")
@RobK,
Tungsten’s got great density, but unfortunately is brittle.
I used tungsten points as arrow tips for target archery.
And it costs way more than SS. I would imagine a Tungsten Draupnir would cost the same as a Dazzler.
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### Author:  [@RobK](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/RobK)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2013, 5:43am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-appreciation-thread/40764/1447 "2013-10-19T05:43:02Z")
My darts hold up pretty well after many bounce outs. Perhaps using the Tungstun just as weight rings, and doing the rings internal in the cups like an anglam or isotope. And do the shell in the lightest aluminum possible (perhaps the denser, if it can b ethinner, or TI if it can be done lighter because it can be thinner).
Just thinking about the kind of exotic composition I’d like to see. Have no idea if it’s realistic.
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### Author:  [@AzrinRain](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AzrinRain)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2013, 6:36am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-appreciation-thread/40764/1448 "2013-10-19T06:36:00Z")
It’s a good idea, but again i’m concerned of the cost.
Tungsten is roughly 9-10 times more expensive than SS.
Also, tell us about how the Dazzler plays against popular YYR models(Draupnir, Sleipnir, etc)
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### Author:  [@sparhawk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/sparhawk)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2013, 7:40am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-appreciation-thread/40764/1449 "2013-10-19T07:40:15Z")
> [@AzrinRain](#):
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> It’s a good idea, but again i’m concerned of the cost.
> Tungsten is roughly 9-10 times more expensive than SS.
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> Also, tell us about how the Dazzler plays against popular YYR models(Draupnir, Sleipnir, etc)
The eli dert was a mini yoyo that had tungsten weight rings
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### Author:  [@RobK](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/RobK)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2013, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-appreciation-thread/40764/1450 "2013-10-19T15:26:03Z")
> [@AzrinRain](#):
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> It’s a good idea, but again i’m concerned of the cost.
> Tungsten is roughly 9-10 times more expensive than SS.
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> Also, tell us about how the Dazzler plays against popular YYR models(Draupnir, Sleipnir, etc)
Tungsten darts don’t cost much more than brass darts. They’re made on a lathe, like yoyos. Certainly at least a limited edition could be done to allow fo some unique designs. It might cost a little more than the draupnir, but prolly not the cost of a DAzzler.
Well, I am waiting for a ano’d draupnir. Don’t have one yet. I Don’t have a sleipnir yet. Prior to the arrival of the dazzler, my favorite YYR was the Attune.
If you look at my BST page, you can see the throws I currently own. I will say compare it to all of them.
Except the Stealth Ogre, the Dazzler is the most stable yoyo I own. However, it is not far behind. The dazzler is amazingly stable. I am a terrible thrower, and often hit the string as I perform string tricks, and the dazzler is almost as forgiving as the stealth ogre.
Despite this high stability, it is very unlike the ogre in the way it feels on the string. It feels lighter. More nimble. Faster.
The spin times are amazing. I am constantly impressed with the speeds when it returns to my hand after a medium hard throw and a medium length trick. It seems to spin much longer than any yoyo I own as well. Maybe even longer than the Ogre, which does pretty well with those huge brass weigh rings and larger diameter. For it’s size and weight, it spins much longer than you’d think it would.
Of all my YYRs, it is the most comfortable in the hand. The curvier shape compared to the models I have make it really feel nice in the hand. This thing is amazing. If one doesn’t show up in MA or NH soon, I’ll get it to a MA and NH club meeting so people can try it. Amazing. I just wish I were more skilled at both yoyo and writing to explain the way it feels on the string, and how great this thing is compared to my whole collection.
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### Author:  [@aznnboyaZ](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/aznnboyaZ)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2013, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-appreciation-thread/40764/1451 "2013-10-19T16:10:29Z")
> [@RobK](#):
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> I don’t understand why it needs to be 2 different metals. The extreme weight distribuution seems possible with Ti. Perhaps not quite as good, but pretty good. They really should do one with Tungsten. I love my tungsten darts.
Probably So!
But, I think the issue with full Ti, is price. The Draupnir is literally 1/3 the price.
Although, a Ti Draupnir equivalent does sound AMAZING.
TiNir 🙂
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### Author:  [@stickman](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stickman)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2013, 7:30pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-appreciation-thread/40764/1452 "2013-10-19T19:30:03Z")
> [@Gambit](#):
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> I apologise in advance for mentioning a non YYR throw in this thread, but stickman have you tried the C3 Krown? I felt the same way when I started throwing mine, I’ve never found another throw that even feels close to how it plays. If you’ve got money to burn I’d definately recommend it… it feels like a cloud on a string, like it’s barely even there, but it just keeps spinning and spinning. Never felt anything like it.
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> Dazzler looks beautiful and congrats to anyone that got their hands on one. If they ever make it to YYE, I might just have to pick one up.
No, I have not had the opportunity to throw a Krown, however it is on my list of future purchases. It’s been a while since I have bought anything from C3 and I have always loved everything I have ever bought from them.
Thanks for the input.
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### Author:  [@azunyan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/azunyan)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2013, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-appreciation-thread/40764/1453 "2013-10-19T20:46:29Z")
i just bought a dazzler!
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### Author:  [@Midlifeyoyoman](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Midlifeyoyoman)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2013, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-appreciation-thread/40764/1454 "2013-10-19T21:23:37Z")
> [@azunyan](#):
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> i just bought a dazzler!
Kool! Where did you get yours? I was told 28spin had two left after RobK purchased his.
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### Author:  [@Midlifeyoyoman](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Midlifeyoyoman)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2013, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-appreciation-thread/40764/1455 "2013-10-19T21:35:30Z")
> [@RobK](#):
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> I don’t understand why it needs to be 2 different metals. The extreme weight distribuution seems possible with Ti. Perhaps not quite as good, but pretty good. They really should do one with Tungsten. I love my tungsten darts.
The physics of having weighted rings like what was posted above is what gives these types of yoyos so much spin. If someone were to make a Ti but add a heavier and more dense ring to the outer rims it would produce a powerful spin. I am quite behind in physics and static loading so can’t say how stable such a throw would be with light metal such as Ti for the majority of the body coupled with a heavier metal.
Think of it this way. Say you had an axle which you poked through a circular sheet paper. Then picture trying to spin that sheet of paper. Lets even add a bunch more paper to the outer edge just for kicks. It would spin really slowly. Now “imagine” that you could add a lead ring to the outer edge of that same piece of paper and give it a spin. That concept can be applied to how using two metals is superior than just trying to make the walls thin until the outer edges. Since one metal weighs more the desired shape can still be achieved.
Hope that made some sense. 😜
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### Author:  [@Midlifeyoyoman](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Midlifeyoyoman)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2013, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-appreciation-thread/40764/1456 "2013-10-19T21:45:20Z")
Which draupnir is the most popular? All this talk has made me extremely curious. I really don’t want to buy two or three so which should I get? Oh and how many are there?
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### Author:  [@azunyan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/azunyan)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2013, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-appreciation-thread/40764/1457 "2013-10-19T21:55:22Z")
> [@Midlifeyoyoman](#):
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> Kool! Where did you get yours? I was told 28spin had two left after RobK purchased his.
28spin
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### Author:  [@yoyomaverick](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyomaverick)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2013, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-appreciation-thread/40764/1458 "2013-10-19T21:57:11Z")
I definitely recommend the fragment as well. Its a speedy one, but not too light at all.
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### Author:  [@Midlifeyoyoman](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Midlifeyoyoman)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2013, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-appreciation-thread/40764/1459 "2013-10-19T22:04:13Z")
> [@azunyan](#):
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> 28spin
That’s what figured but someone could have had a used one already I guess. Took little over week after it was shipped to get to me in Kentucky.
You’re in for a surprise for sure. It just won’t tilt/spin out no matter how hard to try.
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### Author:  [@azunyan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/azunyan)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2013, 9:24pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-appreciation-thread/40764/1460 "2013-10-21T21:24:55Z")
> [@Midlifeyoyoman](#):
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> That’s what figured but someone could have had a used one already I guess. Took little over week after it was shipped to get to me in Kentucky.
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> You’re in for a surprise for sure. It just won’t tilt/spin out no matter how hard to try.
can anyone compare it to a draupnir?
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### Author:  [@RobK](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/RobK)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2013, 11:42pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyorecreation-appreciation-thread/40764/1461 "2013-10-21T23:42:08Z")
> [@azunyan](#):
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> can anyone compare it to a draupnir?
I will be able to after the ano draupnirs are out. I’m waiting for that.
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