# Yoyojam Phenomizm vs Yoyofactory Genesis **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [February 16, 2015, 11:26pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyojam-phenomizm-vs-yoyofactory-genesis/72722 "2015-02-16T23:26:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![olam1794](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a88e4f/32.png) [@olam1794](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/olam1794)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2015, 11:26pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyojam-phenomizm-vs-yoyofactory-genesis/72722/1 "2015-02-16T23:26:45Z")
Hi, I was wondering which was better, a phenomizm or genesis. The phenomizm is designed by hiroyuki suzuki (that’s a thumbs up alone! ;D) and the rims are plastic so I don’t have to worry about dings. Hiroyuki suzuki used it for one of his performances, his best IMO. The Genesis on the other hand is pretty sick. It has a real nice anodizing that is great for grinds. It is all metal too, but then I would have to worry about dings. I don’t know? What do you guys think? I am looking for a yoyo that would play fast but not too fast, good for horizontal, and really long spin time (like 6-8 minutes on a straight throw). Which one has the most of these qualities? Let me know in the post below! Thanks for viewing! ---
**Author:** ![\_RTD\_alecto](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/_rtd_alecto/32/1336_2.png) [@\_RTD\_alecto](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/_RTD_alecto)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2015, 12:09am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyojam-phenomizm-vs-yoyofactory-genesis/72722/2 "2015-02-17T00:09:51Z")
the phenomism from what i have felt when i played with it isnt very stable… i would say yyf genesis way better the the phenomism imo ---
**Author:** ![yhl0214](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/51bf81/32.png) [@yhl0214](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yhl0214)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2015, 2:02am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyojam-phenomizm-vs-yoyofactory-genesis/72722/3 "2015-02-17T02:02:57Z")
I haven’t played Phenomizm, but Genesis is awesome. ---
**Author:** ![sparhawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@sparhawk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/sparhawk)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2015, 2:55am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyojam-phenomizm-vs-yoyofactory-genesis/72722/4 "2015-02-17T02:55:28Z")
Genesis over phenomizm for sure ---
**Author:** ![YOLOcop\_57](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yolocop_57/32/1504_2.png) [@YOLOcop\_57](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YOLOcop_57)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2015, 4:30am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyojam-phenomizm-vs-yoyofactory-genesis/72722/5 "2015-02-17T04:30:58Z")
I think a better comparison would be between the Genesis and the Equilateral. Both metal (dings a concern) roughly the same price (expect for special colors etc.) ---
**Author:** ![yoyoboy224](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/f14d63/32.png) [@yoyoboy224](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyoboy224)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2015, 5:20am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyojam-phenomizm-vs-yoyofactory-genesis/72722/6 "2015-02-17T05:20:37Z")
Genesis ---
**Author:** ![oops](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/oops/32/683976_2.png) [@oops](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/oops)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2015, 5:55am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyojam-phenomizm-vs-yoyofactory-genesis/72722/7 "2015-02-17T05:55:29Z")
genesis ---
**Author:** ![kadabrium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/kadabrium/32/1522_2.png) [@kadabrium](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/kadabrium)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2015, 6:37am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyojam-phenomizm-vs-yoyofactory-genesis/72722/8 "2015-02-17T06:37:36Z")
> [@olam1794](#): > > fast but not too fast ok tbh the phenom series is kinda evolutionary dead end