# Your thoughts on the PGMv2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [June 10, 2010, 3:43am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-thoughts-on-the-pgmv2/15408 "2010-06-10T03:43:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![XaGoNiX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/e9a140/32.png) [@XaGoNiX](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/XaGoNiX)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 3:43am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-thoughts-on-the-pgmv2/15408/1 "2010-06-10T03:43:12Z")
I’m looking to get a new throw within the next month or so (I’m planning ahead :D). My most recent throw is a YYF ProtoStar and it is AMAZING, but I can’t really seem to grind with it. I’m thinking of learning 5A with the ProtoStar and using the PGMv2 as a primary/secondary 1A throw. (I’m more of a plastic yo-yo kind of guy.) I would like to know your thoughts and opinions about the PGMv2 (Plastic Grind Machine). Any problems or important things to know about the yo-yo would be great. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![MaxL](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/maxl/32/460_2.png) [@MaxL](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MaxL)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 5:59am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-thoughts-on-the-pgmv2/15408/2 "2010-06-10T05:59:13Z")
Spintime is decreased a little with the hubstacks. If your throw is good it should still be more than enough time to pull anything off. I personally like the protostar more than the pgm. PGM is a nice yoyo to have though, it’s one of those ones you can put in your pocket and take with you anywhere and not worry about dinging a metal. ---
**Author:** ![Apetrunk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/apetrunk/32/148_2.png) [@Apetrunk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Apetrunk)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-thoughts-on-the-pgmv2/15408/3 "2010-06-10T11:27:01Z")
The PGM isn’t my favorite throw, but it’s among my favorites. It’s very awesome and can handle anything you can throw at it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![yoyot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3d9bf3/32.png) [@yoyot](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyot)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-thoughts-on-the-pgmv2/15408/4 "2010-06-10T12:39:08Z")
meh. I like the shape, but it needs more weight. All the metal rimmed YYJ I’ve played play quite a bit better than it. (other than speeder) On an average throw I can get one to two more tricks in on the YYJ’s. I added an wheight ring and it feels much more solid and it is 65g. If I were you I would get an x-convict, hitman, new breed, or atmosphere. Also, contrary to the name, it is not a grinder. I does play well but I think there are better things. ---
**Author:** ![XaGoNiX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/e9a140/32.png) [@XaGoNiX](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/XaGoNiX)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 2:22am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-thoughts-on-the-pgmv2/15408/5 "2010-06-11T02:22:08Z")
> [@yoyot](#): > > meh. I like the shape, but it needs more weight. All the metal rimmed YYJ I’ve played play quite a bit better than it. (other than speeder) On an average throw I can get one to two more tricks in on the YYJ’s. I added an wheight ring and it feels much more solid and it is 65g. If I were you I would get an x-convict, hitman, new breed, or atmosphere. Also, contrary to the name, it is not a grinder. I does play well but I think there are better things. Doesn’t the Grind Machine come with four O rings (two for each side) to add weight? And the yo-yos you listed are nice but at the moment I’m not too interested in pursuing yo-yos with outer metal rims. ---
**Author:** ![YoYoScientist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyoscientist/32/121_2.png) [@YoYoScientist](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoYoScientist)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 2:56am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-thoughts-on-the-pgmv2/15408/6 "2010-06-11T02:56:26Z")
i think its pretty good. But after a while, it doesn’t spin for as long as it used to. Besides that its a great yoyo for great players! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Apetrunk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/apetrunk/32/148_2.png) [@Apetrunk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Apetrunk)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-thoughts-on-the-pgmv2/15408/7 "2010-06-11T14:35:18Z")
What do you mean it doesn’t spin as long as it used to? I think it spins just fine. > [@XaGoNiX](#): > > > [@yoyot](#): > > > > meh. I like the shape, but it needs more weight. All the metal rimmed YYJ I’ve played play quite a bit better than it. (other than speeder) On an average throw I can get one to two more tricks in on the YYJ’s. I added an wheight ring and it feels much more solid and it is 65g. If I were you I would get an x-convict, hitman, new breed, or atmosphere. Also, contrary to the name, it is not a grinder. I does play well but I think there are better things. > > Doesn’t the Grind Machine come with four O rings (two for each side) to add weight? > > And the yo-yos you listed are nice but at the moment I’m not too interested in pursuing yo-yos with outer metal rims. No it doesn’t. That was the first version. There isn’t near as much room on the new ones for o-rings to fit in. ---
**Author:** ![yoyot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3d9bf3/32.png) [@yoyot](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyot)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-thoughts-on-the-pgmv2/15408/8 "2010-06-11T15:08:24Z")
^^^ Yes, the new version does not use the oring system that the old one did, but there is enough room to fit one that I got in the hardware store. It does play well. It is smooth and I like it. I just think that there are better things. (protostar) ---
**Author:** ![XaGoNiX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/e9a140/32.png) [@XaGoNiX](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/XaGoNiX)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-thoughts-on-the-pgmv2/15408/9 "2010-06-11T17:49:07Z")
> [@Apetrunk](#): > > No it doesn’t. That was the first version. There isn’t near as much room on the new ones for o-rings to fit in. Ahh I see. Well I’m still looking around but right now the Grind Machine is just a possible option. Thanks for all responses!