# Your Ideal Responsive Yoyo **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [April 26, 2020, 12:07am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-ideal-responsive-yoyo/318916 "2020-04-26T00:07:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![fatguysnacks247](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fatguysnacks247/32/81478_2.png) [@fatguysnacks247](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fatguysnacks247)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 10:08pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-ideal-responsive-yoyo/318916/41 "2020-04-26T22:08:03Z")
when was the no jive made? … i was going to ask that earlier… and what has been the best piece since? regarding you quoting me… i’m just curious if there were only 35 spectra ehs produced on the last run… and one yin-yang. maybe? they reduced the emblem size to reduce rejects… rejects on a wood yoyo. these guys aren’t in it for the money, right? for the love. so take the damn vibe, and an offset logo… quit yer snivelin, right? glen is on a ledge almost every time he makes somethin… part of the wood crowd wants it both ways, and can’t have it. ---
**Author:** ![fatguysnacks247](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fatguysnacks247/32/81478_2.png) [@fatguysnacks247](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fatguysnacks247)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 10:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-ideal-responsive-yoyo/318916/42 "2020-04-26T22:10:12Z")
kyle has a metal one too, i like your response @Glenacius_K ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-ideal-responsive-yoyo/318916/43 "2020-04-26T22:11:48Z")
He has a signature colorway. ---
**Author:** ![French](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/french/32/70748_2.png) [@French](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/French)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-ideal-responsive-yoyo/318916/44 "2020-04-26T22:13:46Z")
I enjoy wooden yoyos very much. Probably mostly because I like seeing the effect I have on the yoyo…the change in color due to my sweat and skin oils interacting with the wood. I also enjoy some of what Ed mentioned, needing to deal with string torsion, humidity, all of the variables that are part of a carbon based item and getting it all to work together. So, what I enjoy about the wood experience would make me crazy on a metal or plastic yoyo. ---
**Author:** ![Myk\_Myk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/myk_myk/32/63087_2.png) [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 10:17pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-ideal-responsive-yoyo/318916/45 "2020-04-26T22:17:37Z")
> [@fatguysnacks247](#): > > i just object to the fact that it’s ‘perfect’ based on nothing verifiable. I don’t think it’s “perfect”. Sometimes it’s preferable. As for the rejects, sometimes too much vibe is too much vibe, even on a relatively low RPM yoyo. ---
**Author:** ![fatguysnacks247](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fatguysnacks247/32/81478_2.png) [@fatguysnacks247](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fatguysnacks247)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-ideal-responsive-yoyo/318916/46 "2020-04-26T22:30:10Z")
some of that is others’ language. i’ve enjoyed our discourse @Myk_Myk :wink: ---
**Author:** ![Myk\_Myk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/myk_myk/32/63087_2.png) [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 10:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-ideal-responsive-yoyo/318916/47 "2020-04-26T22:36:22Z")
> [@fatguysnacks247](#): > > when was the no jive made? … i was going to ask that earlier… and what has been the best piece since? > **[Tom Kuhn No Jive 3-in-1](https://yoyo.fandom.com/wiki/Tom_Kuhn_No_Jive_3-in-1)** > > The No Jive 3-in-1 yo-yo was invented and patented in 1978 by Tom Kuhn, and has been in production ever since, along with being one of Dr. Kuhn's most well-known designs. It uses a metal rod with threaded ends that screw into reversible axle nuts... The best for me is the Spinworthy Ballsy. I’m sure you won’t find a single answer for the best since. > [@fatguysnacks247](#): > > i’ve enjoyed our discourse Me too. :wink: ---
**Author:** ![JWaugh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jwaugh/32/42366_2.png) [@JWaugh](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JWaugh)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 10:41pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-ideal-responsive-yoyo/318916/48 "2020-04-26T22:41:10Z")
a gram lighter Respawn ---
**Author:** ![fatguysnacks247](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fatguysnacks247/32/81478_2.png) [@fatguysnacks247](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fatguysnacks247)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-ideal-responsive-yoyo/318916/49 "2020-04-26T22:57:00Z")
the no jive question was rhetorical as well, i guess i should have said, ‘how long ago’ ---
**Author:** ![yoyo-matt-ratt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyo-matt-ratt/32/69567_2.png) [@yoyo-matt-ratt](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyo-matt-ratt)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 11:01pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-ideal-responsive-yoyo/318916/50 "2020-04-26T23:01:07Z")
putting superglue on the bearing and bearing seat of my edge beyond. ---
**Author:** ![Myk\_Myk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/myk_myk/32/63087_2.png) [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-ideal-responsive-yoyo/318916/51 "2020-04-26T23:33:23Z")
🤣 :joy: 🤣 :joy: ---
**Author:** ![EOS44](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/eos44/32/47059_2.png) [@EOS44](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/EOS44)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 11:35pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-ideal-responsive-yoyo/318916/52 "2020-04-26T23:35:51Z")
My ideal responsive yoyo would be a Harbinger (one of the slightly older designs, before they were made with softer edges) with updated axle/response holes and a larger diameter (maybe 1-2 mm). I like wood mostly, and I could talk about why I prefer it over bearing responsives, but the arguments made here are getting into a very complex territory, one that I don’t think I could perfectly understand from my experience with responsive yoyos until now. ---
**Author:** ![gcoomans](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gcoomans/32/25166_2.png) [@gcoomans](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/gcoomans)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 11:58pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-ideal-responsive-yoyo/318916/53 "2020-04-26T23:58:12Z")
I’m with you, this whole thread is quite confusing lol, and I’ve been doing primarily modern responsive for a couple years. If it responds I’ll use it, I’ve always thought it was cool to kind of make the most out of the least (like with dollar store stuff) but that being said I do prefer Glen’s stuff and classic Duncan models. ---
**Author:** ![MarkD](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/markd/32/40845_2.png) [@MarkD](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MarkD)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2020, 12:18am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-ideal-responsive-yoyo/318916/54 "2020-04-27T00:18:10Z")
Wood yoyos have a very appealing facet to their construction. If someone were so inclined, they could purchase a wood lathe and start learning how to use it and make wood yoyos at their own home. They’d have their hands on every step of the design and manufacturing. It’s practical. Doing this with a CNC metal lathe is still possible but outside of almost anyone’s reach. ---
**Author:** ![edhaponik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/edhaponik/32/150896_2.png) [@edhaponik](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/edhaponik)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2020, 1:06am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-ideal-responsive-yoyo/318916/55 "2020-04-27T01:06:22Z")
i think my response was more like “wood is a phenomenal performer… at being wood”, and you’re correct that “being wood” is precisely what i love it for. i simply find that the applications for which it is ideal and the applications for which metal is ideal are not necessarily the same. lol i make coding feel “unwelcome” in stating that i find it rewarding to work with wood’s inconsistencies and within the limitations of fixed axle, and i “disappoint” you with the audacious observation that most people do find it a less consistent and predictable material to make a yo-yo from than metal. ah well. re: vibe and rejects… @Myk_Myk / @fatguysnacks247 most consumers assume that the yo-yo they buy will be smooth, regardless of what it’s made from. a little over a decade ago years ago i was working through the sector\_y catalog on no jives. hitting classic escolar/spencer/longoria stuff on wood reeeeeally required a smooth yo-yo. it’s amazing that now a lot of people are trying more of the stall-based stuff guys like drew and i have been pushing for years, but if someone buys a wood yo-yo and wants to get creative with the longest sleepers they can, the yo-yo better be up for that too. it should play as well as possible all around. i don’t know how many rejects colin ditches due to vibe. several of the ones which haven’t made it to market over the past few eH releases have been due to breaking in transit. i might choose to balance them unmoving on the back of my finger, but a yo-yo’s gotta spin as smooth as the medium allows. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2020, 1:39am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-ideal-responsive-yoyo/318916/56 "2020-04-27T01:39:51Z")
> [@edhaponik](#): > > i “disappoint” you with the audacious observation that most people do find it a less consistent and predictable material to make a yo-yo from than metal. That’s not what I found disappointing. I found this a bit disappointing. > [@edhaponik](#): > > with an unresponsive metal, you’re a spaceman flying in a rocketship. you want the yo-yo to provide freedom - space to explore. with a wood yo-yo, you’re on a raft at sea in a hurricane. the point is to feel the elements and find your way through them. I found this disappointing when I first read it, but now I’m reading it as something good. Your kinda saying it’s a gritty, raw experience, not a substandard one. I like that. ---
**Author:** ![edhaponik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/edhaponik/32/150896_2.png) [@edhaponik](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/edhaponik)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2020, 1:48am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-ideal-responsive-yoyo/318916/57 "2020-04-27T01:48:15Z")
yep. keep the rocket. i don’t want the yo-yo to give me an empty vacuum for me to explore with no consequences. i want the wind and spray in my face. i want to get whacked if i lose focus. i want a little hum to harmonize with. that’s what feels right to me. ---
**Author:** ![Myk\_Myk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/myk_myk/32/63087_2.png) [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2020, 1:56am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-ideal-responsive-yoyo/318916/58 "2020-04-27T01:56:53Z")
This analogy still jives with my thought that sometimes wood is the best performer. If the modern unresponsive is a rocket ship, and a metal responsive is a motor boat, the wood responsive might be a canoe. Of course you can’t take a rocket ship on the lake, and if you’re trying to make it quietly down a small river, the canoe might be better than the motor boat. ---
**Author:** ![fatguysnacks247](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fatguysnacks247/32/81478_2.png) [@fatguysnacks247](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fatguysnacks247)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2020, 2:08am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-ideal-responsive-yoyo/318916/59 "2020-04-27T02:08:01Z")
we can all agree then that organics are the best unresponsive yoyos, because of their spirit/magic/mojo/aura… edit: here’s the thing, i’m not trying to be a jerk… i spent yesterday on @DocPop blog and got inspired… i’ve been on here for months and have been inspired. watching glen on a ledge when he feels his delrins are failing - he’s flailing - i hate to watch that happen… i don’t have a yoyo company, but i do see solutions to problems… or solutions to made up problems. despite any animosity, to me or otherwise, i don’t want to see anyone fail, and do want to see people succeed - the engineer in me… i’m not trying to stir up shizz… but b/w the d888 thread, the ‘my new response system’ thread, and this one… i’m looking at things in a big picture view - and not even a for profit sense. ---
**Author:** ![Myk\_Myk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/myk_myk/32/63087_2.png) [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2020, 5:15am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-ideal-responsive-yoyo/318916/60 "2020-04-27T05:15:23Z")
> [@fatguysnacks247](#): > > we can all agree then that organics are the best unresponsive yoyos, because of their spirit/magic/mojo/aura… Or maybe just cuz of the high walls… Actually, I don’t think you’ll get agreement even on that! There are other shapes throwers like for responsive. [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-ideal-responsive-yoyo/318916.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/your-ideal-responsive-yoyo/318916.md?page=4)