# Yo-yos that were ahead of their time **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [October 15, 2018, 11:09pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yo-yos-that-were-ahead-of-their-time/293906 "2018-10-15T23:09:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ZaYoBoy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zayoboy/32/40174_2.png) [@ZaYoBoy](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ZaYoBoy)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:09pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yo-yos-that-were-ahead-of-their-time/293906/1 "2018-10-15T23:09:50Z")
Mention any down in the comments. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yo-yos-that-were-ahead-of-their-time/293906/2 "2018-10-15T23:10:40Z")
Protostar as previously mentioned, which I definitely agree with. First plastic that was on par with metals (of its time, and a bit beyond). Also the 888. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:15pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yo-yos-that-were-ahead-of-their-time/293906/3 "2018-10-15T23:15:15Z")
> [@codinghorror](#): > > First plastic Isn’t it a hybrid? ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yo-yos-that-were-ahead-of-their-time/293906/4 "2018-10-15T23:19:26Z")
True, it was, but so was stuff like Dark Magic II and Hitman (metal rims), but Protostar still feels modern today in a way that those older models definitely do not. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yo-yos-that-were-ahead-of-their-time/293906/5 "2018-10-15T23:22:12Z")
Well, I just wondered if it was appropriate to call it a “plastic” yoyo if it is actually a hybrid. I’m getting confused on what is the proper taxonomy of yoyos around here. ---
**Author:** ![knowledgeablepixels](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/knowledgeablepixels/32/38636_2.png) [@knowledgeablepixels](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/knowledgeablepixels)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yo-yos-that-were-ahead-of-their-time/293906/6 "2018-10-15T23:24:21Z")
the protostar basically has a plastic body, but with metal rings. it essentially is just a plastic with metal to give more weight & rim weight. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yo-yos-that-were-ahead-of-their-time/293906/7 "2018-10-15T23:24:32Z")
I’m not sure, but I think of it as plastic with metal weight rings. I guess the technical term would be “bi-material” since we call alu with steel weight rings “bi-metal”. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:25pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yo-yos-that-were-ahead-of-their-time/293906/8 "2018-10-15T23:25:37Z")
Okay, so then what is a “hybrid” yoyo, and how does it differ from “plastic with metal weight rings”? As in the category that yoyos like the iCEBERG fall under in the YYE webstore? ---
**Author:** ![ZaYoBoy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zayoboy/32/40174_2.png) [@ZaYoBoy](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ZaYoBoy)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yo-yos-that-were-ahead-of-their-time/293906/9 "2018-10-15T23:29:10Z")
I think it matters where the metal is actually placed. Hybrids usually have the metal on the side instead of the inside. ---
**Author:** ![knowledgeablepixels](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/knowledgeablepixels/32/38636_2.png) [@knowledgeablepixels](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/knowledgeablepixels)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:32pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yo-yos-that-were-ahead-of-their-time/293906/10 "2018-10-15T23:32:15Z")
usually when i think of hybrid plastics i think of “plastic with metal rings” and not “metal with plastic body.” the plastic is the main focus of the yoyo ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:34pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yo-yos-that-were-ahead-of-their-time/293906/12 "2018-10-15T23:34:55Z")
Right, well exception was taken to calling out “plastic with metal rings” in a thread about “competitive plastic” yoyos, so the distinction is apparently a very important one. A standard name for these “hybrids” would appear necessary. ---
**Author:** ![knowledgeablepixels](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/knowledgeablepixels/32/38636_2.png) [@knowledgeablepixels](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/knowledgeablepixels)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:35pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yo-yos-that-were-ahead-of-their-time/293906/13 "2018-10-15T23:35:22Z")
theres no hybrid option because the two main categories are “body material” and “rim.” the protostar would go under plastic body and aluminium rim. ---
**Author:** ![ZaYoBoy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zayoboy/32/40174_2.png) [@ZaYoBoy](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ZaYoBoy)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yo-yos-that-were-ahead-of-their-time/293906/14 "2018-10-15T23:36:35Z")
On YYE there is only a hybrid tag instead of an option. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yo-yos-that-were-ahead-of-their-time/293906/15 "2018-10-15T23:41:21Z")
In the context of _this_ topic, it’s about being “ahead of its time” and I wouldn’t say adding metal to plastic alone is enough to accomplish that: > [@codinghorror](#): > > so was stuff like Dark Magic II and Hitman (metal rims), but Protostar still feels modern today in a way that those older models definitely do not. So I dunno if it’s relevant here, maybe there should be a dedicated topic for the semantics discussion of “when is a plastic not a plastic”? I dunno. Feels off topic to me, personally. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:42pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yo-yos-that-were-ahead-of-their-time/293906/16 "2018-10-15T23:42:51Z")
I realize that; I’m just trying to get some clarification of terminology. You called the ProtoStar a plastic yoyo, when in fact it seems that it is a hybrid yoyo (or whatever single-word term you prefer in place of the needlessly verbose “plastic with metal rings”). Regardless of specific context, proper terminology is always prefered, at least by me. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yo-yos-that-were-ahead-of-their-time/293906/17 "2018-10-15T23:43:37Z")
It just feels a bit pedantic and off topic, at least for _this_ topic about what yoyos were ahead of their time. If you want to create a dedicated topic for the semantics discussion, maybe that’d be best? As far as _this_ topic goes, I think there’s plenty of evidence that “just slap some metal on the plastic” does _not_ make a yoyo ahead of its time, necessarily. ---
**Author:** ![YoyoGeezer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyogeezer/32/755_2.png) [@YoyoGeezer](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoyoGeezer)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yo-yos-that-were-ahead-of-their-time/293906/18 "2018-10-15T23:49:16Z")
Two that come to mind: Ti-Walker Draupnir. ---
**Author:** ![vegabomb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/vegabomb/32/199_2.png) [@vegabomb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/vegabomb)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yo-yos-that-were-ahead-of-their-time/293906/19 "2018-10-16T01:28:26Z")
The TiWalker. Eight or nine years later I still use it as a bench mark for how good a yoyo is. ---
**Author:** ![imthegreenbean](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/imthegreenbean/32/20044_2.png) [@imthegreenbean](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/imthegreenbean)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 6:08am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yo-yos-that-were-ahead-of-their-time/293906/20 "2018-10-16T06:08:56Z")
NiNe DrAgOnS iS aHeAd Of It’S tImE!! ---
**Author:** ![andy569](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/andy569/32/1256_2.png) [@andy569](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/andy569)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 6:12am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yo-yos-that-were-ahead-of-their-time/293906/21 "2018-10-16T06:12:12Z")
I don’t think there was a yoyo that was more ahead of its time than the Sleipnir. During a time when many didn’t really understand good yoyo design, the real importance of rim weight, low walls, and an angular design, the Sleipnir had all of that and more by using 7075 Aluminum. It was hailed as the best performing yoyo by many for nearly 5 years after its release and even to this day, the Sleipnirs design is seen as a guideline of how a great yoyo should be made. The Draupnir and some yoyos prior to the Sleipnir were ahead of their time as well but I don’t think any yoyo held the status as the true premier benchmark as long as the Sleipnir did. In terms of price though, I will agree that the Protostar is probably the tops or close to it. I don’t recall a yoyo that performed better for less than $35 until around 2014 [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yo-yos-that-were-ahead-of-their-time/293906.md?page=2)