# Why no big-O shape bi-metals? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [August 20, 2018, 3:05am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-no-big-o-shape-bi-metals/291919 "2018-08-20T03:05:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![YoYoExpertGarrett](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyoexpertgarrett/32/1543_2.png) [@YoYoExpertGarrett](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoYoExpertGarrett)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-no-big-o-shape-bi-metals/291919/22 "2018-08-22T19:54:56Z")
Not so much an advantage as a different feel in play. ---
**Author:** ![smileypants707](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/smileypants707/32/19045_2.png) [@smileypants707](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/smileypants707)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 8:12pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-no-big-o-shape-bi-metals/291919/23 "2018-08-22T20:12:47Z")
The reason why most, myself included, enjoy the feel of an organic is because they are much more sassy on the string. You really have to work on cleaning up your play style when using an organic, because they’re not typically as forgiving as other shapes. It’s like, learning a trick is challenging; learning a trick on an organic shaped yo-yo is even more challenging. Not _every_ organic yoyo is going to be unstable and unforgiving. For instance, the bump will make an organic yoyo more stable than one that doesn’t have the bump. The Markmont classic has a bump; the magic yoyo V2 avocado does not have a bump. ![Screenshot_20180822-150429](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/b/2/1/b21042c7e4abdd3257fb0744f8e0b7b089567e58.jpeg) ![Screenshot_20180822-150954](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/c/1/e/c1ea7510f74b2689aa9b0e8de82cf64e16b76046.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-no-big-o-shape-bi-metals/291919/24 "2018-08-22T20:33:47Z")
Also compare 2013 onedrop benchmark O… and 2016 benchmark O ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/2/7/3/273aacaef0e6313eaf6f5a8995cad8234de98d1c.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![YoyoGeezer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyogeezer/32/755_2.png) [@YoyoGeezer](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoyoGeezer)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-no-big-o-shape-bi-metals/291919/27 "2018-11-30T18:00:35Z")
> [@Old\_Yoer](#): > > I suppose organic shapes, and especially a pure organic shape, are rarer on bi-metals because bi-metals are generally all about performance whilst organics are about feel and comfort. Wouldn’t that mean that organics with a bit of power-up from some SS rings would be the best of both worlds? All the comfort; but with increased performance? ---
**Author:** ![Applepooh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/applepooh/32/40751_2.png) [@Applepooh](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Applepooh)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-no-big-o-shape-bi-metals/291919/28 "2018-11-30T18:19:05Z")
Check out the Smashing Yoyo Spectacle. Not “big” but an organic bimetal. Fun yoyo for sure. ---
**Author:** ![shatterFX](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/shatterfx/32/66476_2.png) [@shatterFX](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/shatterFX)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 7:37pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-no-big-o-shape-bi-metals/291919/29 "2018-11-30T19:37:12Z")
Could it be something to do with weight and weight distribution? I’ve noticed my organics tend to feel heavier than my other throws, even though they’re smaller for the most part. ---
**Author:** ![Myk\_Myk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/myk_myk/32/63087_2.png) [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-no-big-o-shape-bi-metals/291919/30 "2018-11-30T19:38:31Z")
> [@YoyoGeezer](#): > > Wouldn’t that mean that organics with a bit of power-up from some SS rings would be the best of both worlds? All the comfort; but with increased performance? If it was just about “feel and comfort”, you might be right. However, I think that’s only part of it. > [@smileypants707](#): > > The reason why most, myself included, enjoy the feel of an organic is because they are much more sassy on the string. I think this is the crux. Using a bimetal design would tend to take an organic away from what are its usual desired characteristics. The Bump probably does that somewhat, but probably not to the extent much more rim weight does. I tend to think that organics put me more in control, and have more character. If you start trying to make it “have more performance” then you might as well use another shape. Maybe that’s why we have those hybrid shapes, to give those gradients in between. Maybe the Gorge is different? Another “High Performance” organic is the Ricochet. It’s got that pure organic shape, but has a super powerful spin. However I think in general, so much rim weight doesn’t jive with the “organic nature”. ---
**Author:** ![yomagic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yomagic/32/131_2.png) [@yomagic](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yomagic)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-no-big-o-shape-bi-metals/291919/31 "2018-11-30T20:07:52Z")
I might be changing that soon 🤫 ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-no-big-o-shape-bi-metals/291919/32 "2018-11-30T20:34:57Z")
Yoyos like the Top Deck, Anomaly, Gravitas, and Lust are all what I call “semi-organic” or _semi-O_. They have very rounded profiles that are almost, sorta organic but not really O in a traditional sense. The Top Deck isn’t a bimetal, but the other three are, and so far they are the closest I’ve found to a bimetal with organic shape aesthetics. Still, I wouldn’t say they were O-shaped. ---
**Author:** ![YoyoGeezer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyogeezer/32/755_2.png) [@YoyoGeezer](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoyoGeezer)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-no-big-o-shape-bi-metals/291919/33 "2018-11-30T22:50:24Z")
> [@smileypants707](#): > > The reason why most, myself included, enjoy the feel of an organic is because they are much more sassy on the string. … Sassy? > [@Myk\_Myk](#): > > I tend to think that organics put me more in control, and have more character … Character? … Huh? ---
**Author:** ![smileypants707](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/smileypants707/32/19045_2.png) [@smileypants707](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/smileypants707)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-no-big-o-shape-bi-metals/291919/34 "2018-11-30T23:06:22Z")
> [@YoyoGeezer](#): > > Sassy? Yeah, as in easy to steer. Typically a little bit less stable than your other shapes that don’t have high walls. They tend to tip out of plane easier if your technique is sloppy. Another side effect of sloppy technique on a high wall organic yoyo is that it kills your spin time because of the friction between the string and the yoyo. You know, sassy. They are more sensitive, so you need to accommodate their attitude. Compared to more competition style yo-yos that are more forgiving and super stable and spin for days. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 11:14pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-no-big-o-shape-bi-metals/291919/36 "2018-11-30T23:14:13Z")
See [bell shape](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-bell-yo-yo-shape-a-thing/292486) 🔔 ---
**Author:** ![TheThrowingGnome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/thethrowinggnome/32/14231_2.png) [@TheThrowingGnome](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TheThrowingGnome)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2018, 7:09am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-no-big-o-shape-bi-metals/291919/38 "2018-12-01T07:09:02Z")
I think the Blockade kinda qualifies already, and it’s amazing! ---
**Author:** ![Exmime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/exmime/32/40143_2.png) [@Exmime](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Exmime)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 2:24am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-no-big-o-shape-bi-metals/291919/39 "2018-12-13T02:24:38Z")
Looks like there is a new one out there now. > **[YoYoExpert](https://yoyoexpert.com/?variant=15846234718282)** > > Watch free yo-yo trick videos, learn from professional yo-yo players, and buy yo-yos from the YoYo Expert! ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-no-big-o-shape-bi-metals/291919/40 "2018-12-13T12:31:04Z")
> [@YoyoGeezer](#): > > Wouldn’t that mean that organics with a bit of power-up from some SS rings would be the best of both worlds? All the comfort; but with increased performance? Yes indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Marm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/marm/32/46204_2.png) [@Marm](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Marm)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 12:00am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-no-big-o-shape-bi-metals/291919/41 "2018-12-14T00:00:58Z")
I’m not sure ---
**Author:** ![E2\_yoyos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/e2_yoyos/32/41208_2.png) [@E2\_yoyos](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/E2_yoyos)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 2:50am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-no-big-o-shape-bi-metals/291919/42 "2018-12-14T02:50:07Z")
> [@Exmime](#): > > Looks like there is a new one out there now. Ooo im liking this. But that price hurts ---
**Author:** ![Theolodger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/theolodger/32/65462_2.png) [@Theolodger](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Theolodger)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2018, 4:08am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-no-big-o-shape-bi-metals/291919/43 "2018-12-15T04:08:14Z")
I don’t really like O-Shapes, I prefer Hard V’s to H’s ---
**Author:** ![smileypants707](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/smileypants707/32/19045_2.png) [@smileypants707](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/smileypants707)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2018, 4:09am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-no-big-o-shape-bi-metals/291919/44 "2018-12-15T04:09:14Z")
That’s perfectly fine, more O’s for me! ---
**Author:** ![yomagic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yomagic/32/131_2.png) [@yomagic](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yomagic)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2018, 5:23am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-no-big-o-shape-bi-metals/291919/45 "2018-12-15T05:23:05Z")
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