# Why is "H" shape relatively uncommon today?
**URL:** https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332
**Category:** General Yo-Yo
**Created:** [May 15, 2019, 2:16am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332 "2019-05-15T02:16:32Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@AaronW](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AaronW)
#### Post date: [May 20, 2019, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/141 "2019-05-20T14:10:20Z")
> [@beezy](#):
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> Response H is something newly defined, no?
Correct, Jeff defined the “response H” on May 14. :joy:
Maybe Jeff’s newly designated shape should be called the cH shape, (CodingHorror shape), since he’s 99.99% of the one’s in favor of a new designation.
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### Author:  [@smileypants707](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/smileypants707)
#### Post date: [May 20, 2019, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/142 "2019-05-20T14:28:34Z")
> [@anon5341354](#):
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> The shape is a crime
:joy: it is an abomination
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### Author:  [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)
#### Post date: [May 20, 2019, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/143 "2019-05-20T20:46:21Z")
> [@AaronW](#):
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> Correct, Jeff defined the “response H” on May 14
Incorrect! iYoYo “redefined” it, as did HSpin in 2007… so really we have dueling ~~banjos~~ definitions
[![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsC4kf6x_Q0)
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### Author:  [@Lhet](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Lhet)
#### Post date: [May 21, 2019, 11:52pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/144 "2019-05-21T23:52:44Z")
I think letter shapes are kinda silly (particularly H and W), especially since there actually are some groups of yoyo that have a lot in common despite technically falling under a few different shapes. I’m mainly thinking of a particular set of Japanese style yoyos (YYR Sleipnir, TP positron, TP Basilisk, UNPRLD Abduction, Aceyo Gravitation) - these might fall under one category or another based on the inside profile, but all kinda share a particular feel.
I guess O and V are specific enough that they can stay, but H and W tend to be used as catchall terms for ‘everything else’ and people fit them to cover too many shapes to be useful in the slightest.
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### Author:  [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)
#### Post date: [May 21, 2019, 11:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/145 "2019-05-21T23:53:22Z")
I’d agree with that, though H is farrrrr tougher to interpret than W, which is basically “V, but with one additional deviation in angle”
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### Author:  [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)
#### Post date: [May 21, 2019, 11:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/146 "2019-05-21T23:59:56Z")
Yeah, in order for a V to become a W, it has to have “wings” at the rims. If the rims aren’t projected out far enough, they aren’t really wings, and so not really a W.
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### Author:  [@Jhammond93](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Jhammond93)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2019, 4:53am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/147 "2019-05-30T04:53:25Z")
Is there a difference in star and w shape Yoyos? I’ve seen both, but they both look the same…
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### Author:  [@SpyseaRice](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SpyseaRice)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2019, 6:23am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/148 "2019-05-30T06:23:42Z")
“star” is just a specific take on wing shaped yoyos
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### Author:  [@pep65](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/pep65)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2019, 9:37am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/149 "2019-05-30T09:37:16Z")
Wasn’t that a song by Kiki Dee in the 80’s ?
Was it ever released in the States ? if not then this cultural reference is really pointless 😁
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### Author:  [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2019, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/150 "2019-05-30T15:53:34Z")
What shape is the OD Top Deck accepted as being?
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### Author:  [@smileypants707](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/smileypants707)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2019, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/151 "2019-05-30T17:26:15Z")
Organic W-ish(?)
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### Author:  [@pep65](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/pep65)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2019, 8:41pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/152 "2019-05-30T20:41:30Z")
I’d through-in a bit of H-ish as well. Just to be on the safe side.
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### Author:  [@beeebon](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/beeebon)
#### Post date: [May 31, 2019, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/153 "2019-05-31T12:59:20Z")
Solid H shape
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### Author:  [@SimplyMike](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SimplyMike)
#### Post date: [May 31, 2019, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/154 "2019-05-31T17:45:43Z")
This is a fantastic H shaped yoyo. Check it out
[ ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1-TZHDRqxE)
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### Author:  [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)
#### Post date: [June 25, 2019, 1:26am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/155 "2019-06-25T01:26:04Z")
19 posts were split to a new topic: [What would you call this V shape?](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-would-you-call-this-v-shape/304514)
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### Author:  [@Durfee](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Durfee)
#### Post date: [June 25, 2019, 2:14am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/156 "2019-06-25T02:14:38Z")
So moving this away from a “what constitutes an h shape,” and back to the original question, I think outside of 5A there’s no significant benefit to an h shape over v, w, or bell.
If you look at the Shutter compared to the Genesis (which to me seems like a heavy influence on the Shutter), one of the big changes is reducing the flare of the rim and angling it down towards the gap to make more of a v shape, widening the catch zone. Which makes complete sense.
But that doesn’t matter as much in 5A and I think having that h shape lends itself well to 5A needs like stability and keeping the string moving in the direction you want while it’s being manipulated by the momentum of the counterweight.
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### Author:  [@sfyoyos](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/sfyoyos)
#### Post date: [June 25, 2019, 2:22am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/157 "2019-06-25T02:22:17Z")
Oh my god these topics get so funny sometimes
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### Author:  [@gomanual](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/gomanual)
#### Post date: [April 3, 2020, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/159 "2020-04-03T17:13:14Z")
> [@codinghorror](#):
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> I tend to agree that OD has never _really_ made a true H
Since we’re already all fired up about yoyo shapes, has this changed with the [Fat Tire](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/products/fat-tire-yoyo-by-one-drop)?
> [@codinghorror](#):
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> there has to be an **inverted organic curve from the response area to the rim**.
I feel like it checks the boxes, albeit in a very exaggerated way. Whaddya think?
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### Author:  [@yoyojoe](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyojoe)
#### Post date: [April 3, 2020, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/160 "2020-04-03T17:59:50Z")
Also where does the new square yoyo from Alex Hattori fit in?
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### Author:  [@JustJ](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JustJ)
#### Post date: [April 3, 2020, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/161 "2020-04-03T19:12:45Z")
> [@codinghorror](#):
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> Basically there has to be an **inverted organic curve from the response area to the rim**.
Really? I never understood it had to be organically curved to be an H shape. On the contrary, my understanding was that it was similar to the W shape, but with harder angles, closer to 90°, heavily rim weighted and wider gap, but over time the H shape evolved to include organic curves. One thing I do when I engage in a new interest is to research it, prolly so I don’t appear to be too horribly ignorant. I wish I could remember how I came upon my understanding versus yours. Guess I’ll be doing more research today. So, where does one go to find such definitive descriptions of the shape of yoyos anyway? Obviously my sources weren’t quite accurate.
Edit: Per a competitor’s site, “Yo-Yo names and shapes are far from standardized, every place may have its own vocabulary to describe yo-yos, and makers have their own terminology as well.”
Well that explains a lot!
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