# Why is "H" shape relatively uncommon today? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [May 15, 2019, 2:16am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332 "2019-05-15T02:16:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 6:29am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/21 "2019-05-15T06:29:29Z")
Are you the man behind ILYY? ---
**Author:** ![crackout](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/crackout/32/44608_2.png) [@crackout](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/crackout)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 6:40am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/22 "2019-05-15T06:40:31Z")
The entire 50%. :wink: ---
**Author:** ![skklexie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/skklexie/32/42925_2.png) [@skklexie](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/skklexie)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 6:44am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/23 "2019-05-15T06:44:09Z")
frank, is that you? ---
**Author:** ![crackout](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/crackout/32/44608_2.png) [@crackout](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/crackout)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 6:45am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/24 "2019-05-15T06:45:29Z")
Frank would be the other 50% of the third. This is Dominik. ---
**Author:** ![EthanV](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/4491bb/32.png) [@EthanV](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/EthanV)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 6:46am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/25 "2019-05-15T06:46:30Z")
Other than the benchmark H being not so H-ish, it is right up in my alley- but it rarely ever comes up in the bst or gets a restock :(( ---
**Author:** ![skklexie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/skklexie/32/42925_2.png) [@skklexie](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/skklexie)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 6:49am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/26 "2019-05-15T06:49:13Z")
hey dude! i got my first ILYY last year when you guys brought back the dotE1NS and 2WEI. im a huge fan of both and they’re always in my current rotation. cheers! ---
**Author:** ![TheYoyoer27](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/theyoyoer27/32/49058_2.png) [@TheYoyoer27](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TheYoyoer27)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/27 "2019-05-15T11:23:20Z")
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**Author:** ![AaronW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/aaronw/32/49251_2.png) [@AaronW](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AaronW)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/28 "2019-05-15T13:52:23Z")
> [@anon5341354](#): > > I’d say the Onedrop H is a H shape. It is. As is the Dang, Code1 and Sakura SE. The 2014 Benchmark H is the only one I ever thought really wasn’t a true H shape. ---
**Author:** ![YoYoExpertGarrett](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyoexpertgarrett/32/1543_2.png) [@YoYoExpertGarrett](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoYoExpertGarrett)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/29 "2019-05-15T14:04:46Z")
I feel like i’ve seen this conversation so many times already… You guys are overthinking the shapes, go play with a yo-yo. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/30 "2019-05-15T14:16:02Z")
No you go play with a proper H shaped yo-yo! ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/31 "2019-05-15T14:17:39Z")
> [@AaronW](#): > > is the Dang no > [@AaronW](#): > > Code1 no > [@AaronW](#): > > Sakura SE no It is kinda weird but OD has never really shipped an H yo-yo. ---
**Author:** ![AaronW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/aaronw/32/49251_2.png) [@AaronW](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AaronW)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/32 "2019-05-15T14:18:15Z")
🤦‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![YoYoExpertGarrett](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyoexpertgarrett/32/1543_2.png) [@YoYoExpertGarrett](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoYoExpertGarrett)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/33 "2019-05-15T14:22:40Z")
> [@codinghorror](#): > > Basically there has to be an **inverted organic curve from the response area to the rim**. no > [@codinghorror](#): > > It is kinda weird but OD has never really shipped an H yo-yo. no > [@codinghorror](#): > > if we had to make a list of all the H-shape yo-yos for sale at YYE for example, it’s a surprisingly small list! > > I wonder why that is? It’s because you’re making up these rules as you go man, just saying these things doesn’t make them law. The OG YYF Genesis is what many know as the standard for H-Shape, and that’s not too far off from the OD H Benchmark profile. ---
**Author:** ![TurdFerguson69](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/turdferguson69/32/45638_2.png) [@TurdFerguson69](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TurdFerguson69)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/34 "2019-05-15T14:24:35Z")
I’m not sure I get the inverted organic need to be an H. My envy sure looks like an H. Anyone want an envy. I can’t get rid of it. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/35 "2019-05-15T14:26:37Z")
> [@YoYoExpertGarrett](#): > > It’s because you’re making up these rules as you go man, just saying these things doesn’t make them law. The OG YYF Genesis is what many know as the standard for H-Shape, and that’s not too far off from the OD H Benchmark profile. Throw a 2016 benchmark H, then a 2016 benchmark W. Tell me if you think they play meaningfully different. I would say resoundingly… no. Then throw an eternal throws Sesh, and see what I mean… ---
**Author:** ![AaronW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/aaronw/32/49251_2.png) [@AaronW](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AaronW)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/36 "2019-05-15T14:28:01Z")
> [@codinghorror](#): > > Throw a 2016 benchmark H, then a 2016 benchmark W. Tell me if you think they play meaningfully different. The way something plays doesn’t dictate what the shape is. I’ve got organics that play as stable and fast as some V shapes, it doesn’t mean that those organics are not real organics because they don’t play like an organic. ---
**Author:** ![YoYoExpertGarrett](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyoexpertgarrett/32/1543_2.png) [@YoYoExpertGarrett](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoYoExpertGarrett)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/37 "2019-05-15T14:31:03Z")
The Sesh is going to play resoundingly different from **any** benchmark model. The size/weight/shape is completely different. Not even close. The idea behind the benchmark series is to keep the dimensions and weight identical while changing the profile shape and weight distribution. The differences are subtle, but I noticed them when I tried them all back to back. That’s the idea, to show the subtle differences each shape has to offer. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/38 "2019-05-15T14:38:42Z")
> [@YoYoExpertGarrett](#): > > The differences are subtle, but I noticed them when I tried them all back to back. That’s the idea, to show the subtle differences each shape has to offer. The differences between V W and O aren’t subtle. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/d/8/9/d89fb202f3d9e24a01094f095c70e82b71dd332b.jpeg) The reason the difference between 2016 benchmark H and 2016 benchmark W is “subtle” is because this H is _barely_ an H! It is hard to tell apart from the W even side by side! > [@codinghorror](#): > > Only in a verrrry desultory, minimal way. It’s like the laziest, least effectual H, a barely tweaked W. Compare with our old pals iyoyo ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/d/3/4/d349bf97c5cef5a6b581e8588701f95950421ad8.jpeg) Ahhh now that is some sweet hot H action… ---
**Author:** ![AaronW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/aaronw/32/49251_2.png) [@AaronW](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AaronW)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/39 "2019-05-15T14:42:25Z")
If you want to get technical that iyoyo is not an H shape. There is no distinct step. It’s just a bell shape. ---
**Author:** ![YoYoExpertGarrett](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyoexpertgarrett/32/1543_2.png) [@YoYoExpertGarrett](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoYoExpertGarrett)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/40 "2019-05-15T14:45:47Z")
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