# Why is "H" shape relatively uncommon today? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [May 15, 2019, 2:16am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332 "2019-05-15T02:16:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 2:16am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/1 "2019-05-15T02:16:32Z")
OK so we got yo-yo shapes! W, H, O, V … and sometimes M :wink: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/d/8/9/d89fb202f3d9e24a01094f095c70e82b71dd332b.jpeg) The above is the 2016 OneDrop benchmarks, but there is some debate as to whether or not their “H” is… actually an H? ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/3X/6/2/62716644c73192a71aeb724594c4e81b40dc2340.jpeg) Basically there has to be an **inverted organic curve from the response area to the rim**. Otherwise it’s just a W … and I’d say the “2016 benchmark onedrop H” pictured above is in fact a (very) slightly different W, because there’s no real _inward curve_ to be found on it. Here’s what an _actual_ H shaped yo-yo looks like: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/6/d/5/6d5208d6b6353d8e59f86d90225031adef3fdc91.jpeg) Eternal Throws Sesh, and Yanasai Scissortail (oversize), respectively. I tend to agree that OD has never _really_ made a true H, on top of that, **H shapes are maybe the least common yo-yo shape on the market right now?** I think H shapes play _fantastic_ and [lots of other people like 'em too](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/h-shape-yoyo-recommendations/296646)… but if we had to make a list of all the H-shape yo-yos for sale at YYE for example, it’s a surprisingly small list! I wonder why that is? ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyJ](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/johnnyj/32/94616_2.png) [@JohnnyJ](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JohnnyJ)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 2:39am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/2 "2019-05-15T02:39:30Z")
Closest thing OD has made to an H I think is the burnside, right? ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/2/c/c/2cc6ab50e1c4386a38a6149bf2b0f028e6028198.jpeg) Even then though, more a flat rimmed V ---
**Author:** ![Damb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/damb/32/44045_2.png) [@Damb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Damb)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 2:47am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/3 "2019-05-15T02:47:48Z")
Is the Tundra considered an H shape? ---
**Author:** ![TheThrowingGnome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/thethrowinggnome/32/14231_2.png) [@TheThrowingGnome](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TheThrowingGnome)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 3:13am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/4 "2019-05-15T03:13:29Z")
Isn’t most of the iyoyo stuff H shaped? Veritas and ippon = V but most all the others are as H as I’ve played. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 3:25am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/5 "2019-05-15T03:25:59Z")
Yes, iYoYo is kinda the 👑 of H shapes. The iceberg is I believe a hybrid H as well. They do other stuff too but it’s their bread and butter. ---
**Author:** ![E2\_yoyos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/e2_yoyos/32/41208_2.png) [@E2\_yoyos](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/E2_yoyos)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 3:29am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/6 "2019-05-15T03:29:58Z")
Do we consider a “bell shape” yoyo like an H shape? bell is arguably one of the best overall shapes imo ---
**Author:** ![smileypants707](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/smileypants707/32/19045_2.png) [@smileypants707](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/smileypants707)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 3:32am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/7 "2019-05-15T03:32:36Z")
On a side note, I just realized for the first time that in the Benchmark picture, the yoyos are resting on bulk aluminum stock. I wonder what those rods got turned into? :thinking: Also, can this get the H-iest H award? Hubless-Bite size ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/8/5/7/857494cee523aec3b13695bcfcf0babea66a23e4.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 3:43am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/8 "2019-05-15T03:43:26Z")
> [@codinghorror](#): > > Basically there has to be an **inverted organic curve from the response area to the rim**. Otherwise it’s just a W … How do you know that? ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 3:44am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/9 "2019-05-15T03:44:19Z")
Yeah there’s a lot of old timey hardcore H-es. Spectrum SE from 2011, this just came up here recently: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/1/1/1/111f162bba83e136cca759a7498d2d9083424a8b.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 3:44am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/10 "2019-05-15T03:44:29Z")
I’d say the Onedrop H is a H shape. There is an immediate drop from the rim before the slope to the response. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 3:44am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/11 "2019-05-15T03:44:58Z")
Only in a verrrry desultory, minimal way. It’s like the laziest, least effectual H, a barely tweaked W. ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 3:45am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/12 "2019-05-15T03:45:40Z")
Yes, I see what you’re saying. As a benchmark shape it could have been a lot more pronounced. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 3:47am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/13 "2019-05-15T03:47:04Z")
> [@E2\_yoyos](#): > > Do we consider a “bell shape” yoyo like an H shape? :thinking: > [@Is "bell" yo-yo shape a thing?](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/is-bell-yo-yo-shape-a-thing/292486): > > There is a trend in yo-yo to produce “bell” shapes. bell Like so Of course we have the W/H/O/V canon, but bell comes up so often as a pleasing mixture that it could be its own distinct thing, perhaps? I do think this is a reliably great yo-yo shape! Maybe it could also be called “trumpet” shape? trumpet Kinda, yeah. Depends on the bell-i-ness. ![bell-shaped-yoyos](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/7/f/f/7ffbef6130f1849098361f3c953b76bdf9d9888b.jpeg) I would say the Knight & Gale (bottom left) definitely is, Banshee a bit less so. Overall I think so yes. ---
**Author:** ![smileypants707](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/smileypants707/32/19045_2.png) [@smileypants707](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/smileypants707)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 3:47am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/14 "2019-05-15T03:47:34Z")
The Bite-size is _literally_ an H though. It can’t get much H-ier than that. IMO ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyJ](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/johnnyj/32/94616_2.png) [@JohnnyJ](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JohnnyJ)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 3:51am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/15 "2019-05-15T03:51:20Z")
The Akita seems to be a good example of bell shaped ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/6/1/1/6110422581a9cfc47adc95efa3b18d552ccdedef.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 3:52am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/16 "2019-05-15T03:52:19Z")
![155789229423348661722794783235](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/e/4/e/e4e96def6edce8c17fd2e3a18c7a4a0d42d87043.jpeg) What confuses me is that people call this a V shape. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyJ](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/johnnyj/32/94616_2.png) [@JohnnyJ](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JohnnyJ)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 3:59am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/17 "2019-05-15T03:59:36Z")
Based off the criteria that would be a W, correct? These shapes can be very confusing lol ---
**Author:** ![AngryGumball](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/angrygumball/32/683872_2.png) [@AngryGumball](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AngryGumball)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 5:06am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/18 "2019-05-15T05:06:09Z")
The Serenade is an awesome Delrin h-shape throw. Super comfy in the hands too! ---
**Author:** ![crackout](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/crackout/32/44608_2.png) [@crackout](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/crackout)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 6:01am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/19 "2019-05-15T06:01:53Z")
> [@codinghorror](#): > > Basically there has to be an **inverted organic curve from the response area to the rim**. Otherwise it’s just a W … So by this definition, I accidentally created a H-shape yoyo back in '06 when I designed the Noctu. :thinking: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/0/b/7/0b79a6c8e4f6a1ff7835230b4e8c027a7397685e.jpeg) I never saw the Noctu as a H-shape though. To me, the ‘cleanest’ looking H-shape yoyo is the Envy by hspin. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/9/4/9/949acc898164bbad31182345e9e5bb942170b18b.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 6:12am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332/20 "2019-05-15T06:12:40Z")
I’m seeing the rare M shape in that Noctu! [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-is-h-shape-relatively-uncommon-today/302332.md?page=2)