# Why doesn't yyf have a offstring player/3a player? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [March 29, 2013, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-doesnt-yyf-have-a-offstring-player-3a-player/51477 "2013-03-29T18:58:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![augmentedloyalty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/augmentedloyalty/32/1218_2.png) [@augmentedloyalty](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/augmentedloyalty)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2013, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-doesnt-yyf-have-a-offstring-player-3a-player/51477/1 "2013-03-29T18:58:58Z")
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**Author:** ![Bina](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/bina/32/933_2.png) [@Bina](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Bina)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2013, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-doesnt-yyf-have-a-offstring-player-3a-player/51477/2 "2013-03-29T19:09:28Z")
And what about Patrick, USA 3A champion? ---
**Author:** ![augmentedloyalty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/augmentedloyalty/32/1218_2.png) [@augmentedloyalty](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/augmentedloyalty)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2013, 7:29pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-doesnt-yyf-have-a-offstring-player-3a-player/51477/3 "2013-03-29T19:29:52Z")
> [@Bina](#): > > And what about Patrick, USA 3A champion? oh I have never heard of Patrick but does yyf have offstring players ---
**Author:** ![kuyaChristian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b9e5f3/32.png) [@kuyaChristian](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/kuyaChristian)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2013, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-doesnt-yyf-have-a-offstring-player-3a-player/51477/4 "2013-03-29T21:38:31Z")
Kevin Nicholas has competed in 4A a few times. ---
**Author:** ![SR1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/sr1/32/104603_2.png) [@SR1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SR1)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2013, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-doesnt-yyf-have-a-offstring-player-3a-player/51477/5 "2013-03-29T21:43:36Z")
I think YYF just leaves 4A to the other companies like YYJ who thrive in that area. They can’t win EVERYTHING. :wink: As for 3A, Patrick Borgerding is the best of the best. He kills in 3A. ---
**Author:** ![genji](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/genji/32/1027_2.png) [@genji](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/genji)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2013, 9:52pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-doesnt-yyf-have-a-offstring-player-3a-player/51477/6 "2013-03-29T21:52:02Z")
> [@SR1](#): > > I think YYF just leaves 4A to the other companies like YYJ who thrive in that area. They can’t win EVERYTHING. :wink: > > As for 3A, Patrick Borgerding is the best of the best. He kills in 3A. _clears throat_ HANK FREEMAN _cough_ HANK FREEMAN ---
**Author:** ![tschneider](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9d8465/32.png) [@tschneider](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/tschneider)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2013, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-doesnt-yyf-have-a-offstring-player-3a-player/51477/7 "2013-03-29T22:18:02Z")
YYF doesn’t currently make any offstring throws. They used to make the YYF Offstring, but it was fairly limited. (correct me if I’m wrong) ---
**Author:** ![augmentedloyalty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/augmentedloyalty/32/1218_2.png) [@augmentedloyalty](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/augmentedloyalty)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2013, 10:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-doesnt-yyf-have-a-offstring-player-3a-player/51477/8 "2013-03-29T22:20:24Z")
> [@genji](#): > > > [@SR1](#): > > > > I think YYF just leaves 4A to the other companies like YYJ who thrive in that area. They can’t win EVERYTHING. :wink: > > > > As for 3A, Patrick Borgerding is the best of the best. He kills in 3A. > > _clears throat_ HANK FREEMAN _cough_ HANK FREEMAN yes hank Freeman’s 3a is boss ---
**Author:** ![jhb8426](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jhb8426/32/631_2.png) [@jhb8426](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/jhb8426)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2013, 2:24am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-doesnt-yyf-have-a-offstring-player-3a-player/51477/9 "2013-03-30T02:24:45Z")
They made one at one time: [YoYoFactory FlyMaster](http://www.yoyowiki.org/wiki/YoYoFactory_FlyMaster) I believe there were a couple of others as well. ---
**Author:** ![yooldman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yooldman/32/1213_2.png) [@yooldman](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yooldman)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2013, 2:32am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-doesnt-yyf-have-a-offstring-player-3a-player/51477/10 "2013-03-30T02:32:48Z")
_clears throat_ HANK FREEMAN _cough_ HANK FREEMAN [/quote] Hank Freeman was the first modern yoyo video I watched. I saw it and said, “As far as I know, most of that was impossible.” ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2013, 3:26am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-doesnt-yyf-have-a-offstring-player-3a-player/51477/11 "2013-03-30T03:26:53Z")
3a, we got covered. 4a… We don’t have much love for it. Tbh we haven’t played with a 4a yoyo from any brand that didn’t break. The worse you play the more it breaks. We don’t wanna be in that game. plus I’ve said it before yyj make a good line at really really good prices. It doesn’t make it attractive for us to compete and the market isn’t that big in the end. That being said we do have ideas… And maybe one day we will either find the market different or forget why we don’t do it already 🙂