# Why do people care about nail vibe?
**URL:** https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-do-people-care-about-nail-vibe/383353
**Category:** General Yo-Yo
**Created:** [August 27, 2023, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-do-people-care-about-nail-vibe/383353 "2023-08-27T20:59:47Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@nappyrat](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/nappyrat)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2023, 11:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-do-people-care-about-nail-vibe/383353/41 "2023-08-28T23:21:15Z")
Lol you don’t have to accept it but I’m giving an actual answer, one which I truly believe to be applicable for most people. I don’t care either way, I play my dinged yo-yos and have brand new duplicates of my favorite ones.
This thread is giving yo-yo elitist snob vibes, made to beat a dead horse in an already niche hobby. Don’t know why you feel the need to marginalize others within the community.
And nary are gold toilets attainable for most people, that’s a straw man argument and you know it
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### Author:  [@hsb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/hsb)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2023, 11:26pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-do-people-care-about-nail-vibe/383353/42 "2023-08-28T23:26:25Z")
Cheap yo-yos can be a smooth as anything. I don’t think that vibe is really a proxy for quality.
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### Author:  [@nappyrat](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/nappyrat)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2023, 11:31pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-do-people-care-about-nail-vibe/383353/43 "2023-08-28T23:31:07Z")
That’s why I said “perceived” quality, some people see it that way because their base instinct tells them no vibey is gud jojo
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### Author:  [@Joe77](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Joe77)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2023, 11:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-do-people-care-about-nail-vibe/383353/44 "2023-08-28T23:59:40Z")
I do appreciate a dead smooth yoyo, not gonna lie.
But, end of the day, finger nail vibe is absolutely fine by me. :+1:
(Never played a yoyo with heavy vibe but I image that would be a deal breaker)
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### Author:  [@Captrogers](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Captrogers)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2023, 12:05am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-do-people-care-about-nail-vibe/383353/45 "2023-08-29T00:05:50Z")
Hey y’all can send me your viby yo-yos it’s cool I won’t mind.
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### Author:  [@Joe77](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Joe77)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2023, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-do-people-care-about-nail-vibe/383353/46 "2023-08-29T00:13:21Z")
You know….I shouldn’t write off heavy vibe yo-yos…(especially never trying one)
Heck, everyone can send me their vibey yo-yos too. 😜
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### Author:  [@Juno](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Juno)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2023, 2:51am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-do-people-care-about-nail-vibe/383353/47 "2023-08-29T02:51:30Z")
I really don’t know. Can someone help?
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### Author:  [@hsb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/hsb)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2023, 2:56am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-do-people-care-about-nail-vibe/383353/48 "2023-08-29T02:56:39Z")
Vibration so minor it can only be perceived by holding something hard (like a fingernail) within a fraction of a millimeter to the rim.
> [@What is yo-yo vibe and how do I test for it?](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-is-yo-yo-vibe-and-how-do-i-test-for-it/291714):
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> mega Unless you feel your yo-yo has a serious problem in play, it’s unlikely you need to worry about vibe on any new, undamaged yoyo. Most modern yo-yos are exceptionally smooth because the quality of manufacturing is so high today, and vibe is nowhere near as common as it used to be 10 or 20 years ago! What is yo-yo vibe? It’s when the two halves of the yo-yo are mismatched in weight distribution alignment … resulting in vibration when the yo-yo is spinning. [[Super Slow-Mo Yoyo…](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lybp9wAEeaA)
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### Author:  [@Albertino](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Albertino)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2023, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-do-people-care-about-nail-vibe/383353/49 "2023-08-29T07:12:16Z")
The nail vibe war is so old and very worthless at this point, I participate thousand times in this kind of discussion with no results, usually people that complain about nail vibe are hardcore collectionist or people that pass 99% of time analysing the yoyo and 1% doing a skin the gerbil.
For the solely matter of playing and doing tricks dead smooth is useless and doesn’t bring any real advantage to the game (obviously we speak about nail vibe not wobbling).
Even at high price point doesn’t really matter for me if a yoyo has a bit of nail vibe because anyway will be dinged playing it in probably days, I have the Klondike from couple of weeks and I had already to put the rims back in place at least 10 times so I am not bothered.
What I think it makes a yoyo a good yoyo or a quality yoyo is how it perform (also in organics) and how it feels while playing, a bit of nail vibe should not affect any judgment
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### Author:  [@LX\_Emergency](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LX_Emergency)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2023, 7:54am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-do-people-care-about-nail-vibe/383353/50 "2023-08-29T07:54:42Z")
In play I don’t care.
If it doesn’t have nail vibe when I get it it’ll probably hit the floor at some point and have a little vibe after that.
However I’m along the same lines as some other here.
If I pay +/- $100 for a yoyo…it better be good. And part of good is proving that the balance is good at the start by being virtually close to vibe free.
It’ll never stop me buying a secondhand throw that has some vibe…but if I’m paying top dollar to companies direct…they better make sure I get top dollar performance. And part of that performance is a balanced yoyo, and a vibe free yoyo is a balanced yoyo.
After the initial purchase I won’t mind some vibe at all.
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### Author:  [@Yooo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yooo)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2023, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-do-people-care-about-nail-vibe/383353/51 "2023-08-29T11:31:43Z")
I’m not positive if this is a thing but I have read and have experienced first hand companies that seem to use thick ano on the bearings seats to reduce vibe. I seen Tyler from recess mention it before on reddit to someone talking about not being able to get their bearing off of a snack. It also happened to me with my good life valley. It makes getting the bearing off super hard and eventually once that ano wears off it is no longer vibe free. After dealing with that recently it kinda makes me want to avoid yoyos like that. I have other yoyos that don’t seem to use that method and they seem to work a lot better in the long run
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### Author:  [@Ed-C](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Ed-C)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2023, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-do-people-care-about-nail-vibe/383353/52 "2023-08-29T12:16:19Z")
I’m not sure if it’s thick ano or just extra tight tolerances, but either way, it’s a thing and it’s a pain!
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### Author:  [@cayce](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/cayce)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2023, 5:24am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-do-people-care-about-nail-vibe/383353/53 "2023-08-30T05:24:54Z")
nail vibe doesn’t effect performance though. it will not change the spin time of the yoyo or how well it does tricks.
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### Author:  [@KirbyRobot](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/KirbyRobot)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2023, 5:55am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-do-people-care-about-nail-vibe/383353/54 "2023-08-30T05:55:34Z")
> [@MarioMaker17](#):
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> For the most part I don’t mind people taking about vibe,. The problem is that we begin have less innovative yoyo design with higher price tags because every yoyo has to avoid Vibrations. Innovative Yoyo’s like the hybrid fulvia and the outlier 3 are more likely to fail or cost more because it is difficult to control the vibrations.
This is true to a degree. Realistically I think a manufacturer should put in adequate effort to prevent issues like the Hybrid Fulvia and Outlier 3 issues. A little vibe is fine, but vibe as bad as some of these have had can genuinely impact performance and thus… remove the purpose entirely lol.
In 2023 we know how to design and machine yoyos, these sorts of issues should be (and thankfully are) extremely few and far between.
Related to the topic, I don’t see an issue with people seeing smoothness/lack of vibe as a premium and/or “quality” thing. Matching halves, tuning adequately, etc. are all part of QC from a manufacturer. It takes effort to get a yoyo smooth if it wasn’t already.
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### Author:  [@LX\_Emergency](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LX_Emergency)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2023, 6:34am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-do-people-care-about-nail-vibe/383353/55 "2023-08-30T06:34:34Z")
Have you tested this? In any reliable way? Because I suspect there is in fact an effect on performance. It’s just not a very big effect that will be difficult to measure.
Take two identical yoyos, one with nail vibe and the other smooth.
Devise a way to throw them both with the exact same amount of force or RPM’s to start with.
Measure spin time some how.
See if there’s a difference.
I suspect the difference will be very small indeed. But I’m also fairly certain there actually WILL be a difference.
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### Author:  [@Albertino](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Albertino)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2023, 7:00am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-do-people-care-about-nail-vibe/383353/56 "2023-08-30T07:00:30Z")
Alex have to say that probably the performance difference will be so small to be negligible and also something that a “hardcore” player will not care at all, I see people playing and hitting tricks with basically wobbly yoyos that they keep using because it is their fav and can’t be bothered to buy a new one.
I think it’s all as usual in the technique of the player and no one of us really need more than a minute of spin times (considering the combos I see around on insta or contests) and even less if you are a “around the body” player with tons of eli hops and stuff.
I think the legend of the spin time is a refuse of the old days where 20 seconds spin to complete a kamikaze combo seems like you had basically a yoyo with an engine inside, nowadays I do not see it being important, I think everything moved more around the shapes and material and stability (both normal and zontal playing) seems a bigger part.
I go every 2 weeks to a meeting in London where we are all players and no collectors and even trying new yoyos I never seen any of us trying a nail vibe or checking the spin time.
I think nowadays the nail vibe is again a refuse of old days or something more related to collectors/sense of quality but about performance it doesn’t really matter, just to say also the Klondike or the Duncan GTR-JS or the Seiji or other bimetal yoyos I tried come with a very small vibration and it is ok
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### Author:  [@LX\_Emergency](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LX_Emergency)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2023, 7:39am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-do-people-care-about-nail-vibe/383353/57 "2023-08-30T07:39:37Z")
I’m not saying the difference will be very noticable at all. And I’ve already stated that I don’t mind using them once they develope some vibe.
What I AM saying is there IS a difference. It’ll just be very small…I’ve stated this a couple of times. But a very small difference still IS a difference even if you don’t notice.
What I’m saying is that no vibe shows commitment from the manufacturer to produce the best they can. And when I’m spending $100 or more I appreciate that.
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### Author:  [@hsb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/hsb)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2023, 7:50am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-do-people-care-about-nail-vibe/383353/58 "2023-08-30T07:50:33Z")
> [@KirbyRobot](#):
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> In 2023 we know how to design and machine yoyos, these sorts of issues should be (and thankfully are) extremely few and far between.
One thing this could mean is that the designs that are produced remain within parameters that have very little risk of even negligible vibe, while potentially higher performing designs are left on the shelf due to fear that they will be rejected by a market that would rather have a perfectly smooth yo-yo than a better performing yo-yo.
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### Author:  [@Ed-C](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Ed-C)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2023, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-do-people-care-about-nail-vibe/383353/59 "2023-08-30T11:16:23Z")
There’s got to be some difference as you’re losing energy to vibration.
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### Author:  [@LX\_Emergency](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LX_Emergency)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2023, 11:28am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/why-do-people-care-about-nail-vibe/383353/60 "2023-08-30T11:28:43Z")
Exactly…it’s fairly simple physics.
More vibe == more energy than can’t be used in spin.
Little vibe== little energy that can’t be used in spin.
No vibe == no energy loss to vibe therefore more energy in spin.
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