# When is a plastic a plastic? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [October 15, 2018, 11:46pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/when-is-a-plastic-a-plastic/293907 "2018-10-15T23:46:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![knowledgeablepixels](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/knowledgeablepixels/32/38636_2.png) [@knowledgeablepixels](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/knowledgeablepixels)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:46pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/when-is-a-plastic-a-plastic/293907/1 "2018-10-15T23:46:29Z")
okay, so in [Yo-yos that were ahead of their time - #17 by codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yo-yos-that-were-ahead-of-their-time/293906/17) a mention of the protostar simply lead the users to wonder, “is the protostar a plastic, and how can we determine if others are considered a plastic?” this thread is just to keep that discussion somewhere else. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/when-is-a-plastic-a-plastic/293907/2 "2018-10-15T23:49:30Z")
It’s instructive to think of this in the other direction: **what metal yoyos include plastic as a fundamental, built in part of their design?** I can only think of a few, like the Nuit: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/e/2/6/e267008e123f4c306a93b2839e16af7d9dda66db.jpeg) Metal with a plastic weight ring… 🤣 Clearly that is a metal yoyo, right? By that same logic, I’d say the protostar is a **plastic** yoyo, first and foremost. It is also a hybrid, sure… but most yoyo stores don’t tend to have hybrid or bimaterial as categories. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:51pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/when-is-a-plastic-a-plastic/293907/3 "2018-10-15T23:51:50Z")
> [@codinghorror](#): > > I’d say the protostar is a **plastic** yoyo, first and foremost. I would agree. But wouldn’t the iCEBERG and POM Draupnir also be viewed the same way? Wouldn’t all of them qualify as “competitive plastic” yoyos? ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/when-is-a-plastic-a-plastic/293907/4 "2018-10-15T23:53:30Z")
The major difference there is _type_ of plastic, isn’t it? ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/3X/5/8/586d60530dfaec0373eeec416dca77dfc32b82af.png) - Polycarbonate (127) - POM (34 + 2) - Nylon (!) I agree that adding metal changes the play significantly… maybe there aren’t enough plastic + metal to justify a category in most yo-yo stores? ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/when-is-a-plastic-a-plastic/293907/5 "2018-10-15T23:57:31Z")
Also that oddball single 6065 Alu yo-yo? CLYW Igloo! Who knew!?!? I also did not realize the Bliss and Cadence were 7068 either. ---
**Author:** ![knowledgeablepixels](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/knowledgeablepixels/32/38636_2.png) [@knowledgeablepixels](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/knowledgeablepixels)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/when-is-a-plastic-a-plastic/293907/6 "2018-10-15T23:59:26Z")
tbh, i think any yoyo with a plastic body is a plastic, regardless of the type of plastic or if its a hybrid or not. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 12:00am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/when-is-a-plastic-a-plastic/293907/7 "2018-10-16T00:00:52Z")
I agree with @knowledgeablepixels it does feel like the primary body material determines what a yoyo “is”… that said as @ZaYoBoy pointed out there _is_ a hybrid tag! [https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/collections/all/hybrid](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/collections/all/hybrid) ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 12:00am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/when-is-a-plastic-a-plastic/293907/8 "2018-10-16T00:00:54Z")
> [@codinghorror](#): > > …maybe there aren’t enough plastic + metal to justify a category in most yo-yo stores? Interesting that YYE elects to be an exception. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 12:04am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/when-is-a-plastic-a-plastic/293907/9 "2018-10-16T00:04:00Z")
Sort of! But even [in the hybrid tag](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/collections/all/hybrid): - 18 total - 9 are from obsolete or dead brands (YYJ) - 1 is permanently out of stock (En Passant) So basically you can easily list all the current, released, purchaseable hybrids in a single post: 1. Bolt 2 2. Gamma Crash 3. Iceberg 4. Ippon 5. POM Draupnir 6. Surveil 7. VaporMotion Seven. There are seven of these, out of … what… ~500 yoyos that YYE sells? ---
**Author:** ![knowledgeablepixels](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/knowledgeablepixels/32/38636_2.png) [@knowledgeablepixels](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/knowledgeablepixels)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 12:05am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/when-is-a-plastic-a-plastic/293907/10 "2018-10-16T00:05:56Z")
i still dont get how the hybrid tag doesnt feature the more popular hybrids such as the yyf ones. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 12:08am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/when-is-a-plastic-a-plastic/293907/11 "2018-10-16T00:08:15Z")
LOL! The hybrid tag doesn’t even include the protostar itself 🤣 Are you thinking of any others? My mind is drawing a blank but that could be my advanced age ---
**Author:** ![knowledgeablepixels](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/knowledgeablepixels/32/38636_2.png) [@knowledgeablepixels](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/knowledgeablepixels)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 12:11am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/when-is-a-plastic-a-plastic/293907/12 "2018-10-16T00:11:06Z")
arrow, northstar, wedge (??) ---
**Author:** ![ZaYoBoy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zayoboy/32/40174_2.png) [@ZaYoBoy](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ZaYoBoy)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 12:12am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/when-is-a-plastic-a-plastic/293907/13 "2018-10-16T00:12:34Z")
If metal is intact with the plastic then it’s a hybrid. If the metal is just an insert then the yo-yo is just a "PWMWR. " ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 12:14am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/when-is-a-plastic-a-plastic/293907/14 "2018-10-16T00:14:50Z")
Oooooo subtle. I like it! There does seem to be a (minor) difference between “integral to the design” and “slapped some weight rings on there”. I still say a plastic body makes a yoyo _technically_ plastic, irrespective of everything else. But it’s also true that adding metal changes the play significantly. ---
**Author:** ![knowledgeablepixels](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/knowledgeablepixels/32/38636_2.png) [@knowledgeablepixels](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/knowledgeablepixels)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 12:17am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/when-is-a-plastic-a-plastic/293907/15 "2018-10-16T00:17:47Z")
okay, but are duncan yoyos that can hold caps technically hybrids? ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 12:18am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/when-is-a-plastic-a-plastic/293907/16 "2018-10-16T00:18:48Z")
I would say hard no on that, since it’s removable and totally optional. ---
**Author:** ![TheYoyoer27](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/theyoyoer27/32/49058_2.png) [@TheYoyoer27](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TheYoyoer27)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 12:19am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/when-is-a-plastic-a-plastic/293907/17 "2018-10-16T00:19:40Z")
I would say it all depends on the base material. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 12:25am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/when-is-a-plastic-a-plastic/293907/18 "2018-10-16T00:25:27Z")
Then please clarify this post (in reference to the iCEBERG and the POM Draupnir): > [@Plastic yoyos that play at a competition level](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/plastic-yoyos-that-play-at-a-competition-level/293739/13): > > Those are bimaterial though, kind of a different beast. **Not really “plastic” at that point, are they?** ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 12:27am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/when-is-a-plastic-a-plastic/293907/19 "2018-10-16T00:27:12Z")
Again, you have to look at the title of the topic, and view the post in that context. The title _defines_ the topic. And in this case the title is > Plastic yoyos **that play at a competition level** I think it’s indisputably true that adding metal makes a plastic yoyo far more competitive than it would otherwise be. Does anyone really disagree with that? I definitely don’t! So when talking about _how competitive a yoyo is_, failing to mention that a plastic has some metal in it would indeed be a major omission, wouldn’t you agree? ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 12:48am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/when-is-a-plastic-a-plastic/293907/20 "2018-10-16T00:48:05Z")
The original question was: > [@Plastic yoyos that play at a competition level](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/plastic-yoyos-that-play-at-a-competition-level/293739/1): > > Are there any plastic yoyos that play at a competition level? It is a very simple question with a pretty broad context. The POM Draupnir, for example, is a plastic yoyo, right? The fact that it has metal rings doesn’t disqualify it from being added to the list. ZaYoBoy didn’t ask what made any particular yoyo capable of playing at a competition level, so I didn’t think it would matter to him whether it was the fact that it was machined (instead of molded), or had metal rings, or was sprinkled with pixie dust. [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/when-is-a-plastic-a-plastic/293907.md?page=2)