# When did V/H overtake O? **URL:** https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/when-did-v-h-overtake-o/345017 **Category:** General Yo-Yo **Created:** [September 21, 2021, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/when-did-v-h-overtake-o/345017 "2021-09-21T18:16:34Z") **Posts on this page:** 1 **Showing post:** 5
### Author: ![yyfben2.deactivated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ccd318/32.png) [@yyfben2.deactivated](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yyfben2.deactivated) #### Post date: [September 21, 2021, 7:25pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/when-did-v-h-overtake-o/345017/5 "2021-09-21T19:25:26Z")
Look at contest results. Hirouki Suzuki and his success with Speeder could be a clear sign V had arrived… but it wasn’t an absolute change. Yuuki Spencer won in 2007 and more than 50% of the people in finals used an 888 which was definitely organic by todays definitions. H shape existed since 2006 too so in a world with H V and organic, Organic (and undersized) was still the choice of a large number of competitors. looking at worlds in that era 2006 V (speeder) 2007 O (888) 2008 V/H (superstar) 2009 V Sleipnir 2010 W Northstar more: [Yoyo that won the WYYC - #7 by andy569](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyo-that-won-the-wyyc/297588/7) I would say, to this day there is no reason any contest couldn’t be won on an organic shape, Jensen/northstar, Genty/Replay kinda showed what practice can do and the right weight/design/style mix is more important than the shape label. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/when-did-v-h-overtake-o/345017)._