# What's the most "neutral" monometal out there? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [May 11, 2019, 12:20am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/whats-the-most-neutral-monometal-out-there/302201 "2019-05-11T00:20:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 12:20am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/whats-the-most-neutral-monometal-out-there/302201/1 "2019-05-11T00:20:25Z")
Since @EOS44 [brought it up](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/refining-technique-one-variable-at-a-time/302191/43), what’s the most neutral monometal, the platonic ideal of a neutral monometal? :thinking: I like his choice of Dang2, but I am wondering if there is anything else more “on the nose”. Maybe a Shutter? ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 12:24am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/whats-the-most-neutral-monometal-out-there/302201/2 "2019-05-11T00:24:47Z")
It’s worth discussing what “neutral” means. I think it means **jack of all trades, good at everything, not bad at anything** … but also not _exceptional_ at any specific niche yo-yo style / tricks. Some counter examples would be - the Horizon which is kinda finger-spin optimized and not an all-rounder. Metal Skyva for same reason. - Edge Beyond which is an extreme in design (all extended steel rim weight) and also not a typical monometal so “special” in that way - Something like the Eternal Throws Sesh which is an extreme H shape, or the Grail which is an extreme organic (or any other shape extreme) I liked @zslane’s suggestion of the Joyride here, but after thinking about it a bit more I’m tripling down on Shutter as the absolute most neutral monometal around. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 12:29am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/whats-the-most-neutral-monometal-out-there/302201/3 "2019-05-11T00:29:18Z")
> [@codinghorror](#): > > Edge Beyond …is a bi-metal in any case. ---
**Author:** ![kksimon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/kksimon/32/46108_2.png) [@kksimon](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/kksimon)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 12:31am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/whats-the-most-neutral-monometal-out-there/302201/4 "2019-05-11T00:31:12Z")
My vote goes to the new yyf neo genesis ---
**Author:** ![EOS44](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/eos44/32/47059_2.png) [@EOS44](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/EOS44)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 12:37am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/whats-the-most-neutral-monometal-out-there/302201/5 "2019-05-11T00:37:28Z")
For me, a neutral yoyo is _a yoyo which design characteristics are not intentionally directed towards providing extra stability or spintime to be used as an advantage when performing tricks_. Usually, a yoyo with a moderately even weight distribution and specs that stay in the middle ground(Dia: 54 - 56mm, Wi: 40 - 45mm) could enter this category. Also i would exclude: anything bimetal, anything oversized, anything superwide. Some examples of yoyos i think are neutral: OG Shutter, Kilter 1/2/3, YYO Vector, OD Gauntlet/Dang2, YYF Aviator 2, etc. Also, please notice that two “neutral” yoyos will definetely not play alike. “Neutral” should not be used as an adjective to describe play feel, but to group yoyos with standard characteristics/specs. Edit: So to answer the question, i would pick the Yoyofficer Kilter 3 as my choice for "most neutral yoyo. That yoyo is so plain it’s almost boring. Everything is standard. Funny thing is that i do like it a lot. It’s a beast of a practice yoyo. I like plain yoyos. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/whats-the-most-neutral-monometal-out-there/302201/6 "2019-05-11T00:38:12Z")
OK, I see that, but the VTWO that @zslane is in love with is _definitely_ not in that category, it is massively rim weighted and kind of an extreme V. ---
**Author:** ![threebearrries](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/threebearrries/32/42073_2.png) [@threebearrries](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/threebearrries)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/whats-the-most-neutral-monometal-out-there/302201/7 "2019-05-11T00:38:23Z")
I feel like the Shutter fits this profile quite well. It’s designed to be able to do all tricks well, and it has a pretty conservative design. Butttttt, I also think the Shutter is not really a fun answer, and I would love to see other ideas! ---
**Author:** ![EOS44](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/eos44/32/47059_2.png) [@EOS44](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/EOS44)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 12:39am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/whats-the-most-neutral-monometal-out-there/302201/8 "2019-05-11T00:39:06Z")
Nah. VTWO is designed to be a competition yoyo. I wouldn’t call it a neutral yoyo. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 12:40am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/whats-the-most-neutral-monometal-out-there/302201/9 "2019-05-11T00:40:14Z")
Well, heck, the Shutter was designed to be a competition yoyo too. The design intent behind a yoyo might not be the best filter. ---
**Author:** ![EOS44](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/eos44/32/47059_2.png) [@EOS44](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/EOS44)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 12:44am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/whats-the-most-neutral-monometal-out-there/302201/10 "2019-05-11T00:44:46Z")
Yes… in 2013 (a looong time if we are talking about yoyo desing). If we were to compare it to other competition yoyos it surely falls short. Funny thing is that Gentry likes it that way. He and yyf designed it with middle weight so it wasn’t overly stable. ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 2:01am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/whats-the-most-neutral-monometal-out-there/302201/11 "2019-05-11T02:01:14Z")
> [@kksimon](#): > > My vote goes to the new yyf neo genesis I this is the case, then I’m going to love it. ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 2:04am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/whats-the-most-neutral-monometal-out-there/302201/12 "2019-05-11T02:04:47Z")
‘Neutral’ yoyos happen to be the very best in my opinion. Some of the best neutral yoyos I’ve used in no particular order are: - the Yoyofactory Cypher - Japan Technology Adel - Yoyofactory Al Dream - Yoyo Scientific Triple Point. These yoyos just feel right in my opinion and have no extreme features at all. ---
**Author:** ![andy569](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/andy569/32/1256_2.png) [@andy569](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/andy569)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 2:05am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/whats-the-most-neutral-monometal-out-there/302201/13 "2019-05-11T02:05:38Z")
The Shutter is the definition of neutral imo. Not super rim weighted V but not a center weighted organic either, right in the middle ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 2:12am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/whats-the-most-neutral-monometal-out-there/302201/14 "2019-05-11T02:12:25Z")
> [@EOS44](#): > > Kilter 1/2/3, YYO Vector Yes, these yoyos definitely qualify. I really liked my Kilter 2 and Vector. The YYO Hatchet 2 is great too and very neutral. ---
**Author:** ![noodles](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/noodles/32/36467_2.png) [@noodles](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/noodles)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 3:31am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/whats-the-most-neutral-monometal-out-there/302201/15 "2019-05-11T03:31:32Z")
N12 or AlDream ---
**Author:** ![EOS44](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/eos44/32/47059_2.png) [@EOS44](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/EOS44)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 3:42am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/whats-the-most-neutral-monometal-out-there/302201/16 "2019-05-11T03:42:44Z")
Dude. The YYF Cypher is as neutral as it gets. I can’t think about a more neglected yoyo by YYF than the Cypher lol. ---
**Author:** ![noodles](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/noodles/32/36467_2.png) [@noodles](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/noodles)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 3:43am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/whats-the-most-neutral-monometal-out-there/302201/17 "2019-05-11T03:43:57Z")
cypher plays and looks like an N12 with larger axle and better design overall ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 3:47am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/whats-the-most-neutral-monometal-out-there/302201/18 "2019-05-11T03:47:55Z")
I think the Cypher plays a lot nicer than an N12. ---
**Author:** ![shatterFX](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/shatterfx/32/66476_2.png) [@shatterFX](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/shatterFX)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 3:50am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/whats-the-most-neutral-monometal-out-there/302201/19 "2019-05-11T03:50:12Z")
Probably a Shutter. It’s not amazing at any one thing, but can do just about anything. Very accessible and affordable, and available in a crap ton of colors. ---
**Author:** ![BillyJack](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/billyjack/32/66798_2.png) [@BillyJack](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/BillyJack)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 4:08am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/whats-the-most-neutral-monometal-out-there/302201/20 "2019-05-11T04:08:44Z")
I’m with you. I love my Shutter. It’s fast and easy to throw. [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/whats-the-most-neutral-monometal-out-there/302201.md?page=2)