# What’s a fun cheap plastic I should try? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [December 15, 2018, 6:06pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-s-a-fun-cheap-plastic-i-should-try/296315 "2018-12-15T18:06:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Myk\_Myk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/myk_myk/32/63087_2.png) [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-s-a-fun-cheap-plastic-i-should-try/296315/22 "2018-12-16T01:19:55Z")
I was wondering about the Surge; which is super cheap right now. I was thinking about getting some to give out at the GA yo-yo thing I’m trying to put together, but I have no idea about it. > **[YoYoJam](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/collections/yoyojam?variant=18872791812)** > > YoYoJam made some of the best beginner to advanced yo-yos on the market, all exclusively manufactured right here in the USA!  With over dozens of signature series models produced, their yo-yos are designed for the player by the... This is pretty fun: [https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/collections/yoyojam/products/yyj-big-ben-yoyo?variant=18870337028](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/collections/yoyojam/products/yyj-big-ben-yoyo?variant=18870337028) The undeservedly, IMO, maligned: > **[YoYoFactory](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/collections/yoyofactory?variant=18874829764)** > > YoYoFactory was born in 2004 with a focus on functional technology to improve the playing experience. This has been a goal of the company which relies on the experience gathered from over 30 years of demonstrating yoyos around the planet. The end... ---
**Author:** ![Cannon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/919ad9/32.png) [@Cannon](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Cannon)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 1:25am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-s-a-fun-cheap-plastic-i-should-try/296315/23 "2018-12-16T01:25:52Z")
The surge is an amazing yoyo! If they had a responsive slim bearing, I would probably buy like 5 to give away and to use for myself. I would highly recommend the yyf whip. It truly shows you how they can make a really cheap yet well playing yoyo. ---
**Author:** ![Myk\_Myk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/myk_myk/32/63087_2.png) [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 1:33am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-s-a-fun-cheap-plastic-i-should-try/296315/24 "2018-12-16T01:33:55Z")
Especially if you like responsive, this is great! I imagine you have one already… > **[Velocity](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/collections/yoyofactory/products/velocity-yoyo-by-yoyofactory?variant=18871753668)** > > When YoYoFactory first introduced the Velocity it was revolutionary. An all plastic yo-yo that with the spin of a dial you could adjust to go from beginner to expert! For years the Velocity has been the choice of beginner and intermediate yo-yo... ---
**Author:** ![anon19434144](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ccd318/32.png) [@anon19434144](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon19434144)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 1:37am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-s-a-fun-cheap-plastic-i-should-try/296315/25 "2018-12-16T01:37:41Z")
Question: For the Surge, can I use flowable silicone for the pads when the stock pads wear out? ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 2:42am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-s-a-fun-cheap-plastic-i-should-try/296315/26 "2018-12-16T02:42:31Z")
I strongly do not recommend the adjustable gap yoyos like Velocity. It’s just too much rope to hang yourself with, and more stuff to go wrong, particularly in the hands of a beginner… stick with dedicated responsives, or get a conversion kit capable one! ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 2:45am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-s-a-fun-cheap-plastic-i-should-try/296315/27 "2018-12-16T02:45:59Z")
As far as pure plastics go, Big Ben is super fun, and then the Big Bang but it’s unfortunately difficult to get from a US supplier being a YoyoEmpire throw. > [@YoyoEmpire Big Bang](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/yoyoempire-big-bang/291812): > > This thing is craaazy fun. It’s basically “only” an oversized 65mm diameter delrin with aluminum weight ring, but there’s something magical about the whole package. Take it from TokYo-Yo! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nto\_MC75CMs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nto_MC75CMs) And then one year later… [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg4mOQFfwq4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg4mOQFfwq4) I wish YoyoEmpire had better distribution in the west. This one is so much fun. I also like the Diffusion a lot, and its very close cousin the Fay, but it’s a “premium” YYR plastic. > [@photogeek](#): > > Haven’t tried: > > - wedge > - arrow > - first base > - diffusion First Base, Diffusion and Wedge are must gets, all excellent and quite different shapes. Arrow did not do much for me personally. ---
**Author:** ![Myk\_Myk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/myk_myk/32/63087_2.png) [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 3:08am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-s-a-fun-cheap-plastic-i-should-try/296315/28 "2018-12-16T03:08:28Z")
Photogeek is not a beginner! Besides, the Velocity is an absolutely AWESOME yo-yo for a beginner! ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 3:09am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-s-a-fun-cheap-plastic-i-should-try/296315/29 "2018-12-16T03:09:19Z")
I super don’t agree. I had one as a beginner and it was really difficult to deal with. You never know what the “right” gap width is… and it’s just another thing to fidget with and mess around with rather than practicing the skills. Also you can adjust both sides _independently_ which is the worst! ---
**Author:** ![Myk\_Myk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/myk_myk/32/63087_2.png) [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 3:10am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-s-a-fun-cheap-plastic-i-should-try/296315/30 "2018-12-16T03:10:15Z")
OK, but again photogeek is not a beginner. My 7yo didn’t have any problems, but he does have me in the house. Maybe that’s the difference, if you have someone handy to help… ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 3:14am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-s-a-fun-cheap-plastic-i-should-try/296315/31 "2018-12-16T03:14:08Z")
To me the Velocity is an example of how you can break a product by designing it to be both a car and a truck at the same time, with all the serious compromises that entails. If you need a car, choose a solidly built car. If you need a truck, choose a solidly designed truck. Otherwise you end up with this… ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/5/7/0/570df6c7721a0e3eef46bde68d5e8e4f637f6231.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Myk\_Myk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/myk_myk/32/63087_2.png) [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 3:15am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-s-a-fun-cheap-plastic-i-should-try/296315/32 "2018-12-16T03:15:12Z")
You know what is so funny about this back and forth? That was my first CAR!!! ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 3:20am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-s-a-fun-cheap-plastic-i-should-try/296315/33 "2018-12-16T03:20:10Z")
LOL seriously? That’s great! :wink: I usually give away yo-yos I don’t like, but I was so bummed out by the velocity I actually threw it away 🗑 because I felt it would be a negative to any beginner I gave it to. ---
**Author:** ![Myk\_Myk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/myk_myk/32/63087_2.png) [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 3:25am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-s-a-fun-cheap-plastic-i-should-try/296315/34 "2018-12-16T03:25:00Z")
Wow, I play with mine a lot, or with one of the ones my boys have. I don’t play with them unresponsive so much, though I still find that fun. As a responsive, I love it. You can dial it right into the perfect response without using lube. I’m able to get it to do STM, and stalls; while still being able to handle enough layers to do tricks like Mach 5. ---
**Author:** ![photogeek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/photogeek/32/41072_2.png) [@photogeek](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/photogeek)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 3:42am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-s-a-fun-cheap-plastic-i-should-try/296315/35 "2018-12-16T03:42:01Z")
I admit that I haven’t tried a Velocity. But I was kinda “meh” on the older version, the Speed Dial. That said, I’ve taught a few people to throw a basic sleeper using it. Still, I’m not sure it’s what I’m looking for on this particular “photogeek buys himself a gift” mission. ---
**Author:** ![photogeek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/photogeek/32/41072_2.png) [@photogeek](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/photogeek)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 3:47am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-s-a-fun-cheap-plastic-i-should-try/296315/36 "2018-12-16T03:47:28Z")
I would have used the El Camino here instead of the Brat. While both could be argued as useless mashups of two things that were fine on their own, I think the Brat had a oddball style to it that makes it a much more fun story. T-tops, rear seats welded into the bed, available turbo, 4x4 (which was unusual for a “truck” at the time), and even a spring loaded “step” to help getting into the bed. Something that would be copied decades later by domestic trucks (though at the rear). ---
**Author:** ![Myk\_Myk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/myk_myk/32/63087_2.png) [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 3:57am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-s-a-fun-cheap-plastic-i-should-try/296315/37 "2018-12-16T03:57:06Z")
Well I love the SpeedDial for responsive as well, so my tastes may not be in line with yours. I did modify mine: [SpeedDial Response Mod](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/speed-dial-response-mod/82549) ---
**Author:** ![anon19434144](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ccd318/32.png) [@anon19434144](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon19434144)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 4:00am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-s-a-fun-cheap-plastic-i-should-try/296315/38 "2018-12-16T04:00:52Z")
I have a Velocity but I don’t use it and unless a new thrower begged me for it I wouldn’t give it to them because I have cheaper ones that are much better to give them that pack a lot punch. I recently pulled it out and dialed it to pro but I just don’t get out of it what I want. That small bearing just doesn’t do it for me at my skill level. I totally believe some people can rock that thing and that’s great. ---
**Author:** ![Myk\_Myk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/myk_myk/32/63087_2.png) [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 4:26am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-s-a-fun-cheap-plastic-i-should-try/296315/39 "2018-12-16T04:26:40Z")
> [@photogeek](#): > > Still, I’m not sure it’s what I’m looking for on this particular “photogeek buys himself a gift” mission. Maybe that “Big Fun” then. Then you can tell us all about it! ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 5:11am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-s-a-fun-cheap-plastic-i-should-try/296315/40 "2018-12-16T05:11:52Z")
I can’t for the life of me see what is wrong with that vehicle… ---
**Author:** ![photogeek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/photogeek/32/41072_2.png) [@photogeek](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/photogeek)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 7:55am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-s-a-fun-cheap-plastic-i-should-try/296315/41 "2018-12-16T07:55:44Z")
So, to wrap this up, I went with the Diffusion. I figured for $15, couldn’t go wrong. Was tempted by the Big Fun, but my lack of connection with Duncan plastics in the past made me hesitate. Looking forward to hearing other opinions on it when people start getting them into their hands. Because it LOOKS like it could be neat. [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-s-a-fun-cheap-plastic-i-should-try/296315.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-s-a-fun-cheap-plastic-i-should-try/296315.md?page=3)