# What do you guys think of the new dark magic II? **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [November 1, 2010, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-do-you-guys-think-of-the-new-dark-magic-ii/20529 "2010-11-01T15:41:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BlackMagicForrest](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/blackmagicforrest/32/705_2.png) [@BlackMagicForrest](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/BlackMagicForrest)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2010, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-do-you-guys-think-of-the-new-dark-magic-ii/20529/1 "2010-11-01T15:41:17Z")
I think it’s great what do you think? 8) ---
**Author:** ![themaddoughnut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/57b2e6/32.png) [@themaddoughnut](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/themaddoughnut)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2010, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-do-you-guys-think-of-the-new-dark-magic-ii/20529/2 "2010-11-01T20:30:56Z")
> [@BlackMagicForrest](#): > > I think it’s great what do you think? 8) great but maybe a little cheaper? i mean, pgm is better than it and its 10 dollars less :-\ ---
**Author:** ![j\_lowell9](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/j_lowell9/32/358_2.png) [@j\_lowell9](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/j_lowell9)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2010, 8:41pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-do-you-guys-think-of-the-new-dark-magic-ii/20529/3 "2010-11-01T20:41:10Z")
Dm2 is great and I think it is much better than the pgm ---
**Author:** ![ratfacedudeguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/ratfacedudeguy/32/273_2.png) [@ratfacedudeguy](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ratfacedudeguy)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2010, 10:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-do-you-guys-think-of-the-new-dark-magic-ii/20529/4 "2010-11-01T22:22:29Z")
I enjoyed it pretty well myself. Definitely a great update to an already solid design. ---
**Author:** ![YoyoMango](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyomango/32/580_2.png) [@YoyoMango](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoyoMango)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2010, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-do-you-guys-think-of-the-new-dark-magic-ii/20529/5 "2010-11-01T22:30:42Z")
i really like it but not the lightness. im with andré when he says he like heavier throws. that is why i bought the dm1 today. haters gonna hate ---
**Author:** ![themaddoughnut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/57b2e6/32.png) [@themaddoughnut](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/themaddoughnut)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2010, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-do-you-guys-think-of-the-new-dark-magic-ii/20529/6 "2010-11-02T17:22:42Z")
> [@laxdude99](#): > > Dm2 is great and I think it is much better than the pgm well, pgm has a longer sleep time, but dm2 is smother so the dm2 might be a little better or maybe vice versa ---
**Author:** ![Buddy\_Jim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/buddy_jim/32/7920_2.png) [@Buddy\_Jim](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Buddy_Jim)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2010, 6:23pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-do-you-guys-think-of-the-new-dark-magic-ii/20529/7 "2010-11-02T18:23:58Z")
I’m not a fan of how the new axels yoyojam uses feel. I have a Revolution, and it’s smoothness is nice, but the axel just gives it this awkward feel. I have personally avoided the DM2, and Hitman Pro for this exact reason. ---
**Author:** ![catorameus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/catorameus/32/175_2.png) [@catorameus](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/catorameus)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2010, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-do-you-guys-think-of-the-new-dark-magic-ii/20529/8 "2010-11-02T18:42:10Z")
> [@themaddoughnut](#): > > well, pgm has a longer sleep time, but dm2 is smother so the dm2 might be a little better or maybe vice versa Sleep time is highly dependent on throw and the weight distribution of the yo-yo. The DM2 is more rim weighted than the PGM, so is likely to have better spin times. ---
**Author:** ![Catypus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5e925/32.png) [@Catypus](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Catypus)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2010, 3:14am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-do-you-guys-think-of-the-new-dark-magic-ii/20529/9 "2010-11-05T03:14:37Z")
I feel the dark magic 2 doesn’t feel as clean as the dark magic so I have to go with the first ---
**Author:** ![yoyot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3d9bf3/32.png) [@yoyot](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyot)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2010, 3:40am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-do-you-guys-think-of-the-new-dark-magic-ii/20529/10 "2010-11-05T03:40:59Z")
I have owned the PGM V2 and the original DM. I think the DM outplayed it by far, even when I put some weight rings from the hardware store in the PGM. My hitman and mini motu both play better than it. For me, it just ran out of steam very quickly and was prone to instability. I can only say that I would guess that the new DM plays as good or better than the old one. ---
**Author:** ![themaddoughnut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/57b2e6/32.png) [@themaddoughnut](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/themaddoughnut)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2010, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-do-you-guys-think-of-the-new-dark-magic-ii/20529/11 "2010-11-05T11:44:20Z")
> [@yoyot](#): > > I have owned the PGM V2 and the original DM. I think the DM outplayed it by far, even when I put some weight rings from the hardware store in the PGM. My hitman and mini motu both play better than it. For me, it just ran out of steam very quickly and was prone to instability. I can only say that I would guess that the new DM plays as good or better than the old one. yes the pgm is a little unstable and sometimes fails out on me, so the dm2 is better