# Werrd 4xl again
**URL:** https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/werrd-4xl-again/30284
**Category:** General Yo-Yo
**Created:** [September 29, 2011, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/werrd-4xl-again/30284 "2011-09-29T13:41:09Z")
**Posts on this page:** 12
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### Author:  [@potatobobguy](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/potatobobguy)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2011, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/werrd-4xl-again/30284/1 "2011-09-29T13:41:09Z")
What is the difference between the groovy and smooth versions?
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### Author:  [@guitaryo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/guitaryo)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2011, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/werrd-4xl-again/30284/2 "2011-09-29T13:56:21Z")
There’s no difference in shape, weight, specs etc. The only difference is that the groovy version has grooves on the catch zone on the yoyo, and the finish is smooth (no grooves) on the smooth version. I’m not sure how, if it all, it affects play.
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### Author:  [@potatobobguy](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/potatobobguy)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2011, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/werrd-4xl-again/30284/3 "2011-09-29T14:07:55Z")
> [@guitaryo](#):
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> There’s no difference in shape, weight, specs etc. The only difference is that the groovy version has grooves on the catch zone on the yoyo, and the finish is smooth (no grooves) on the smooth version. I’m not sure how, if it all, it affects play.
So the smooth is kinda like a hspin?
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### Author:  [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2011, 3:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/werrd-4xl-again/30284/4 "2011-09-29T15:07:57Z")
Hspin has nothing to do with what he’s saying. Smooth as in it “feels and looks” smooth.
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### Author:  [@dynikus](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/dynikus)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2011, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/werrd-4xl-again/30284/5 "2011-09-29T18:22:51Z")
the different is just one has grooves, one doesn’t. I think the grooves might make grinds better, but I’m not sure.
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### Author:  [@potatobobguy](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/potatobobguy)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2011, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/werrd-4xl-again/30284/6 "2011-09-29T19:00:20Z")
> [@Icthus](#):
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> Hspin has nothing to do with what he’s saying. Smooth as in it “feels and looks” smooth.
Ohhhh thanks!
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### Author:  [@stephosh](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stephosh)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2011, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/werrd-4xl-again/30284/7 "2011-09-29T20:32:52Z")
The grooves make it look sexy too!!!
This is my new favorite throw.
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### Author:  [@potatobobguy](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/potatobobguy)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2011, 11:54pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/werrd-4xl-again/30284/8 "2011-09-29T23:54:38Z")
> [@stephosh](#):
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> The grooves make it look sexy too!!!
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> This is my new favorite throw.
Does the beefcake make it seem too wide( like how it feels when you beefcake an already wide yoyo)?
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### Author:  [@potatobobguy](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/potatobobguy)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2011, 12:53am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/werrd-4xl-again/30284/9 "2011-09-30T00:53:30Z")
And also can you buy jimmy hats separately from the yoyo, Also are they better than zstacks or hubstacks.
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### Author:  [@dynikus](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/dynikus)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2011, 1:55am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/werrd-4xl-again/30284/10 "2011-09-30T01:55:32Z")
they’re not better, they’re just different.
As of right now, they’re not for sale separately. Werrd is working on selling some part stuff though. Like jimmy hats, split d rims, etc.
The only place to get them is either werrd sometimes sells them at contests where they have a booth (I was able to buy two pairs at worlds) or from a private party. Not sure, but you might also be able to contact werrd about it.
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### Author:  [@stephosh](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stephosh)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2011, 5:06am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/werrd-4xl-again/30284/11 "2011-09-30T05:06:38Z")
> [@potatobobguy](#):
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> > [@stephosh](#):
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> > The grooves make it look sexy too!!!
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> > This is my new favorite throw.
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> Does the beefcake make it seem too wide( like how it feels when you beefcake an already wide yoyo)?
No, it doesn’t feel to wide. It’s perfect to me!
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### Author:  [@Preinfalk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Preinfalk)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2011, 5:50am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/werrd-4xl-again/30284/12 "2011-09-30T05:50:41Z")
> [@stephosh](#):
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> > [@potatobobguy](#):
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> > > [@stephosh](#):
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> > > The grooves make it look sexy too!!!
> > >
> > > This is my new favorite throw.
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> > Does the beefcake make it seem too wide( like how it feels when you beefcake an already wide yoyo)?
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> No, it doesn’t feel to wide. It’s perfect to me!
The beefcake is made perfectly for the yoyo. The bearing seat is very deep so that 2 bearings will make the gap just as wide as 1 bearing will. The beefcake uses the curved edges of the bearing to make a notch that the string sits in. Plus, it’s kinda cool haha