# Want to get started in 3A, would like some advice. **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [October 17, 2011, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/want-to-get-started-in-3a-would-like-some-advice/30785 "2011-10-17T14:27:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![JetEyeNight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3ab097/32.png) [@JetEyeNight](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JetEyeNight)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2011, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/want-to-get-started-in-3a-would-like-some-advice/30785/1 "2011-10-17T14:27:00Z")
Calling all adults. Under 18 need not give advice unless you’ve won 3A competitions. I’m looking to get into 3A yoyoing and I need some advice on what to look for in a good 3A yoyo. I know many people say, just pick your favorite 1A and get another. Some say just use any 2 unresponsive yoyos you have. I can’t accept that advice because I’m serious about learning 3A. I want to do it right if I’m going to do it at all. I’ve looked at the Duncan Echo, which looks good. I’ve looked at Crucial Confection and Delicious. What other good 3A yoyos are out there? Do you know of any specifically designed for 3A? Thank you for your input. JetEyeNight ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2011, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/want-to-get-started-in-3a-would-like-some-advice/30785/2 "2011-10-17T15:51:59Z")
I’ve heard the Crucial Tres Leches was designed with 3A in mind. But it’s a discontinued model and I’m having a hard time with people willing to let them go. My last experience was the seller wanted to use it as a “deal sweetener” on BST. You want good rim weight for sure with super long spin. People debate over size of the catch zone and shape and dimensions. But in general, it’s true that you can use your favorite 1A and choose another. You may want to choose different colors and different colored string so you can keep track of stuff. I was recommended to get a pair of Shinwoo Techno 2’s for 3A. However, I’m not ready to learn 3A yet, so they’ll sit and wait for me to get ready. They seem to play fine, and for the money, it’s not bad. But I’ve seen people use Code 1’s, 54’s, CLYW’s and more for their 3A play. It really does seem to have personal preference as a major factor. ---
**Author:** ![papaYOYO](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/papayoyo/32/926_2.png) [@papaYOYO](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/papaYOYO)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2011, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/want-to-get-started-in-3a-would-like-some-advice/30785/3 "2011-10-17T18:17:58Z")
Everything studio just said and have you considered getting delrin/polycarbonate yo-yos? Generally cheaper and won’t make you cringe when you smack the two yoyos together. ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2011, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/want-to-get-started-in-3a-would-like-some-advice/30785/4 "2011-10-17T19:45:39Z")
Regarding delrin: I have a Crucial Half & Half. It’s delrin. It’s strange, but not in a bad way. It feels like plastic, because it is, but even with the undersized design, it’s got good weight and plays like a metal. The Tres Leches are also delrin. Regarding polycarbonate: Cheaper, works great too. All I will also offer is I see most players using metals. Kinda seems a bit much to me, but hey, if I was that good, I suppose I would too. ---
**Author:** ![JetEyeNight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3ab097/32.png) [@JetEyeNight](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JetEyeNight)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2011, 2:35am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/want-to-get-started-in-3a-would-like-some-advice/30785/5 "2011-10-18T02:35:02Z")
I would definitely try out a delrin for 3a if it performs well. My only current option for delrin right now is the C3 Halo, unless anyone knows of a different delrin available for purchase. The Halo doesn’t seem like it would be well suited for 3A though. ---
**Author:** ![papaYOYO](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/papayoyo/32/926_2.png) [@papaYOYO](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/papaYOYO)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2011, 3:24am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/want-to-get-started-in-3a-would-like-some-advice/30785/6 "2011-10-18T03:24:01Z")
C3 yoyos, Duncan freebird if you don’t mind a sized bearings. ---
**Author:** ![DanishSauce](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/danishsauce/32/906_2.png) [@DanishSauce](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/DanishSauce)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2011, 3:30am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/want-to-get-started-in-3a-would-like-some-advice/30785/7 "2011-10-18T03:30:40Z")
I’d say pick your most stable and long spinning yoyo and get another. Also i wouldn’t limit the advice givers to adults, there are kids out there who would absolutely make fools out of anyone on this site with their skills 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![dynikus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/dynikus/32/812_2.png) [@dynikus](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/dynikus)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2011, 5:19am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/want-to-get-started-in-3a-would-like-some-advice/30785/8 "2011-10-18T05:19:47Z")
> [@JetEyeNight](#): > > Calling all adults. Under 18 need not give advice unless you’ve won 3A competitions. because if you’re under 18, you MUST not know what you’re talking about. -\_- For 3a, you want long spinning and stable. And considering Crucial was started and is run by a 3a player, most of their yoyos are geared toward that. I can honestly say that the delicious and the jirorian are some of the most stable yoyos I’ve ever thrown. I know the sigma blade zwei was made for 3a, but I think most crucial would be a better choice. Alex uses two phenoms/phenomizms (at worlds he used phenoms). Yoshi used two speeders I wanna say. Hank used two freebirds. That said: > [@](#): > > I’ve compiled a big list of 3A resources and I do my best to keep it circulated on all the boards as best I can, so here it is.  😃 > > Here’s a list of all of the 3A things I can think of. > > Tim’s site, got some good tricks and tips: > [http://www.yo-yo.org/simyo/](http://www.yo-yo.org/simyo/) > > AL’s site, which is kinda small but has Rick’s clip… which is invaluable. > [http://yoyodude.com/triplea/](http://yoyodude.com/triplea/) > > Masaya’s site, which is basically the best thing ever. > [http://aaaresthouse.nobody.jp/index.html](http://aaaresthouse.nobody.jp/index.html) > > McBride’s AAA section… old, but still the definitive source: > [http://www.theglasslab.com/AAA/subindex.html](http://www.theglasslab.com/AAA/subindex.html) > > The Worlds compulsory list: > [http://worldyoyocontest.com/2005worlds/3atricks.php](http://worldyoyocontest.com/2005worlds/3atricks.php) > > Always a source for freestyles: > [http://yo-yo.jp/video.htm](http://yo-yo.jp/video.htm) > > YET!'s AAA how-to clip: > [http://www.yo-yo.org/yama@18/AAAHOWTO.mpg](http://www.yo-yo.org/yama@18/AAAHOWTO.mpg) > > Masaya’s 3A how-to clip: > [http://www.yo-yo.org/masaya/clip/3ar-clip01.mpg](http://www.yo-yo.org/masaya/clip/3ar-clip01.mpg) > > Some of my videos featuring 3A, in order of being made: > [http://www.planetdrew.com/drewmovies/yoyo/aaa/aaamini.mp4](http://www.planetdrew.com/drewmovies/yoyo/aaa/aaamini.mp4) > [http://www.planetdrew.com/drewmovies/yoyo/aaa/3a0205.mp4](http://www.planetdrew.com/drewmovies/yoyo/aaa/3a0205.mp4) > [http://www.planetdrew.com/drewmovies/yoyo/aaa/neat.mp4](http://www.planetdrew.com/drewmovies/yoyo/aaa/neat.mp4) and > [http://www.planetdrew.com/drewmovies/yoyo/neat2.mp4](http://www.planetdrew.com/drewmovies/yoyo/neat2.mp4) > [http://www.planetdrew.com/drewmovies/yoyo/uniter.mp4](http://www.planetdrew.com/drewmovies/yoyo/uniter.mp4) > > Shima’s clip: [http://13th.yoyojam.jp/video/](http://13th.yoyojam.jp/video/) > > How to do Velvet Rolls, as written up on KWOS: [http://kwos.yoyoing.com/onstring/on...elvetrolls.html](http://kwos.yoyoing.com/onstring/on...elvetrolls.html) > > A little bit of information regarding string shortening: > The shorter your string is, the faster you’ll be able to go. However, shorter string makes it harder to do complex string formations and after a certain length you don’t get enough spin in your throws. I personally recommend taking off 4-5 inches for a start and then messing around to find what you like the best. I personally just shorten to the bottom of my belt buckle, but there’s a lot of variation. For example, I did the majority of my learning (and 4 or 5 videos) on completely unshortened string and Yuki Tanami (2005 Japan Nats Champion) uses really really short string. > > I wrote a little thing a while back that I was gonna put on a website I never got around to making. It’s about AAA fundamentals and some other stuff. > > "The most important thing you’ll need to start 2-handed yo-yoing is… two yo-yos. Whoo! If you had already figured that out, go bake yourself some cookies or something. Anyways, the two yo-yos don’t need to be the same kind of yo-yo; it helps if they are, 'cause then they’re balanced for rolls and weight and they’ll spin for about the same amount of time, etc. etc., but don’t let different yos stop you. And if you really want a pair of yo-yos that are the same, pick up a pair of Freehand2s, they’re cheap and work well. > > So, now you’ve got a yo-yo tied to each finger. Good! Remember how when you were just starting out yo-yoing the string would cut into your middle finger and it would burn and ache until you got a callous two months later? Well, unless you’re a 2A player, you’ll be getting that all over again with your other hand’s finger. Just think of it as the badge of a two-handed yo-yo player… but I digress. Your weaker hand is weaker than your stronger hand (go figure) and doesn’t have the muscle memory that your strong hand has, but since you should know all the basic principles of yoing you’ll be OK. A lot of people (read: everybody) have trouble when they start out because their weaker hand’s throw is so bad. Don’t worry about that, it’ll smooth out over time and with practice, but something that might help a lot is relearning tricks on your weak hand. Don’t try and relearn every move in your repertoire, but try and get at least the mounts and frontstyle tricks down: it’ll help you pick things up a lot faster. Seriously, just try doing mach-5 with your weak hand. A little weird, eh? Don’t worry, you’ll get used to this sort of thing. > > You’ve gotten that down? Good. Now, onto the actual 3A tricks! > > Start by throwing both yo-yos straight forward. Then get them both back to their respective hands. Double binds can be really ugly and time consuming when you’re starting out, so playing at at least tug response might be a good idea. You’ll want to figure out what kind of throw works best for you - I throw my left hand yo first and then my right hand yo, because that way I can re-throw the left hand (weaker hand) yo if it turns out that my first throw was crappy… rethrowing wastes a bit of time, but it’s better than having your yo stop spinning midtrick. Some people throw both yo-yos at the same time, but those throws are a bit more difficult when you’re just beginning, so whatever. > > Yes, this is all really elementary stuff, and sorry if it’s boring, but trust me: it’ll help. > > Sidestyle throws are the same thing, although it should be noted that sidestyle throws spin away from each other so keep that in mind for suicides and other technical tricks you might come up with, and also remember that you’ll be throwing straight down more often than double breakaways. Unless you’re doing double trapeze or something like that. but you know what I mean. > > It’s safe to assume that you’re bored to tears with this section, so let’s move on, shall we? Probably the easiest house (that’s a AAA buzzword meaning “class of tricks”) to start with is Assisted House because pretty much all it is is 1A tricks with a yo in place of one of your free hand. If you haven’t checked out all the tricks on the Worlds Compulsory Tricklist, it’s about time that you do. House Kink, House Velvet, and Magnum Rolls all offer good “easy” tricks to learn and have harder variations that you can move into. Frontstyle stuff, as a general rule, has easier beginning moves. Shotgun House also reportedly has some pretty good beginner moves, but I can’t do any of them, so I’ll just tell you to go learn them from my esteemed colleague Tim Simco. > > …that’s as far as I got with it. Hope all this helps. > > Cheers! (Note: I didn’t write this. all credit goes to drewtetz) ---
**Author:** ![888alltheway](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/888alltheway/32/798_2.png) [@888alltheway](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/888alltheway)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2011, 5:23am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/want-to-get-started-in-3a-would-like-some-advice/30785/9 "2011-10-18T05:23:08Z")
Delicious’ are great for 3a. So are echo’s. Hanks used them. Confections aren’t that good for 3a ---
**Author:** ![JetEyeNight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3ab097/32.png) [@JetEyeNight](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JetEyeNight)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2011, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/want-to-get-started-in-3a-would-like-some-advice/30785/10 "2011-10-18T09:47:03Z")
Thanks for the advice guys! I really appreciate it. I just wanted a more mature viewpoint. I’m an adult at yoyo club and much better than half the teenagers their. I’m sick of having discussions with the kids who think they know it all although they know almost nothing. They just parrot what other people say. If you are more mature, then your advice is welcome. ---
**Author:** ![JetEyeNight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3ab097/32.png) [@JetEyeNight](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JetEyeNight)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2011, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/want-to-get-started-in-3a-would-like-some-advice/30785/11 "2011-10-18T10:16:03Z")
So right now on my list for 3a: Delicious Echo- Hank Freeman used these this year with great results. Easy on the pockets. Silicone. C-Sized bearings. C3 Trident Leviathan II. ---
**Author:** ![nobody](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nobody/32/845_2.png) [@nobody](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/nobody)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2011, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/want-to-get-started-in-3a-would-like-some-advice/30785/12 "2011-10-18T11:36:52Z")
If you are looking for delrin, check out Landon’s website. He makes a ton of them. ---
**Author:** ![dynikus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/dynikus/32/812_2.png) [@dynikus](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/dynikus)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2011, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/want-to-get-started-in-3a-would-like-some-advice/30785/13 "2011-10-18T23:06:14Z")
of those you mentioned, I probably wouldn’t go with 2 jirorians. I haven’t used the last 3, but a jirorian isn’t for everyone. I personally love mine, but a lot of people who have thrown it weren’t big fans. ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2011, 11:25pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/want-to-get-started-in-3a-would-like-some-advice/30785/14 "2011-10-18T23:25:15Z")
I wouldn’t dismiss a kid’s opinion. A lot of them are quite skilled and knowledgeable. I have no issue taking valid input from someone not an adult. In fact, I’ve gotten some of my best advice from kids in regards to this subject. And here am almost 40 and have kids. But I’m new to yoyo. ---
**Author:** ![arcuda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5daacb/32.png) [@arcuda](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/arcuda)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 12:29am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/want-to-get-started-in-3a-would-like-some-advice/30785/15 "2011-10-19T00:29:08Z")
I am a kid, but I’d just like to say that the Code 1s have a lot of rim weight and are also very easy to land on the string. The 3yo3’s are also a great choice. I would go for the Accents, Volumes or Hammerheads. They are stable, wide, and rim weighted. If price is a problem the Northstars/ Protostars/ Starlites are Great options as well. ---
**Author:** ![JetEyeNight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3ab097/32.png) [@JetEyeNight](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JetEyeNight)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 9:20am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/want-to-get-started-in-3a-would-like-some-advice/30785/16 "2011-10-19T09:20:23Z")
What do you guys think about the HALO for 3a? I took another look at it and it seems like it wouldn’t be bad! ---
**Author:** ![JetEyeNight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3ab097/32.png) [@JetEyeNight](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JetEyeNight)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2011, 7:58am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/want-to-get-started-in-3a-would-like-some-advice/30785/17 "2011-11-02T07:58:46Z")
Does the superstar make a good 3a player? How about the SPYY solaris? ---
**Author:** ![YoYo\_Dark\_Magic\_2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyo_dark_magic_2/32/971_2.png) [@YoYo\_Dark\_Magic\_2](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoYo_Dark_Magic_2)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2012, 6:55am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/want-to-get-started-in-3a-would-like-some-advice/30785/18 "2012-03-17T06:55:55Z")
PSG’s, Asteroids, Genesis, C-Force, missing any? ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2012, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/want-to-get-started-in-3a-would-like-some-advice/30785/19 "2012-03-17T07:12:32Z")
I think any good plastic with good stability would be an ideal starter for 3A. Legacy II, Protostar, Northstar, PSG, Asteroid, Shinwoo Techno 2. Just get 2 of them, matching colors highly optional. I think the best bet is different colors for the yoyos and strings so you can always tell everything apart. Granted, the YYJ C-Force is designed specifically with 3A in mind, I wouldn’t start with something taht expensive.