# Vs. Newton YoYo Concepts: Andrew Maider wins MA States!
**URL:** https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991
**Category:** Up & Coming Manufacturers
**Created:** [November 18, 2010, 2:11am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991 "2010-11-18T02:11:35Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 33
### Author:  [@Gizzyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Gizzyo)
#### Post date: [October 1, 2012, 12:42am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/641 "2012-10-01T00:42:34Z")
Donations are easy and I don’t see how this situation can take so long to fix. I ran a 5k for cancer today, and our team raised 14,000. The donation only took minutes online. Heath needs to fix this.
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### Author:  [@stookie](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stookie)
#### Post date: [October 1, 2012, 3:00am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/642 "2012-10-01T03:00:12Z")
> [@NathanC](#):
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> > [@stookie](#):
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> > I think we’re right to have given Heath a pass but that time may be coming to an end unless things are not at all the way they seem.
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> Why on earth would you say that? Like i said earlier in the thread if anyone else pulled even half the stuff he has they would have been banned long ago. He’s worse than most blatant scammers imo because he keeps the lies going for literally years on end thanks to his standing and has no shame. Even before all of this charity stuff it was obvious to me he was an all around not great guy. Whether it’s malice, or just laziness i don’t know, but making people wait half a year just to mail a yoyo? And then shipping it in an envelope like a 12 year old child on the B/S/T would do? Just embarrassing.
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> Also my Skywalker was vibey and meh, and my Ti Walker was overhyped, overpriced mediocrity that has since been surpassed by so many other throws, no need for anyone to have a VS in their collection.
You may believe what you’ve written about his throws there but the BST, the YYE sales page, and popular opinion disagrees with you. Even with the group bash attitude that’s happening (not saying it’s misdirected), I still don’t have a problem admitting that he has some admirable skills and knowledge…and I certainly would never agree with the assertion that just anyone can do what he’s done or that making a great product of any kind is easy. VSNYYC is one of the most popular names in the game and it’s also one of the smallest companies. That tells you something right there. I remember just 2 months ago people were arguing very strongly against me in an effort to get Heath to make more Ti Walkers so his business could grow. People wanted him to be successful specifically because he’s done great work.
You always had the option not to deal with Heath, but if you wanted to, you generally knew you might be jumping through some hoops. I was ok with that. Fraud was not on the list of possible offenses until now, which is why I also said that this may be the point at which I’m no longer ok with it.
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### Author:  [@vegabomb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/vegabomb)
#### Post date: [October 2, 2012, 1:57am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/643 "2012-10-02T01:57:42Z")
Update.
I just got off the phone with Heath. He asked me to make a post stating as such.
He spoke very openly regarding this matter. I advised that he do the same thing to forum members. He agreed. He’ll be making a post here in the morning.
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### Author:  [@G2\_Jake](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/G2_Jake)
#### Post date: [October 2, 2012, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/644 "2012-10-02T14:27:26Z")
In for his response.
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### Author:  [@saintrobyn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/saintrobyn)
#### Post date: [October 2, 2012, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/645 "2012-10-02T15:42:41Z")
> [@G2\_Jake](#):
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> In for his response.
Same here.
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### Author:  [@LinksLegionaire](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LinksLegionaire)
#### Post date: [October 2, 2012, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/646 "2012-10-02T15:50:08Z")
> [@saintrobyn](#):
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> > [@G2\_Jake](#):
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> > In for his response.
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> Same here.
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### Author:  [@Trevorvor](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Trevorvor)
#### Post date: [October 2, 2012, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/647 "2012-10-02T15:51:17Z")
Lol, no pressure Heath
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### Author:  [@ShaunC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ShaunC)
#### Post date: [October 2, 2012, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/648 "2012-10-02T16:23:35Z")
Well, I think that since his entire team just quit, we all pretty much know what his response is gonna be.
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### Author:  [@Trevorvor](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Trevorvor)
#### Post date: [October 2, 2012, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/649 "2012-10-02T16:27:00Z")
> [@ShaunC](#):
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> Well, I think that since his entire team just quit, we all pretty much know what his response is gonna be.
Whoooooaaaaahhh. Link?
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### Author:  [@ShaunC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ShaunC)
#### Post date: [October 2, 2012, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/650 "2012-10-02T16:30:45Z")
They said it on Facebook yesterday
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### Author:  [@SteveB327](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SteveB327)
#### Post date: [October 2, 2012, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/651 "2012-10-02T16:43:20Z")
Wow…
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### Author:  [@Davion](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Davion)
#### Post date: [October 2, 2012, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/652 "2012-10-02T16:56:02Z")
where on facebook
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### Author:  [@AFairhurst](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AFairhurst)
#### Post date: [October 2, 2012, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/653 "2012-10-02T16:57:46Z")
Everyone better hold on to their VsNYYC’s.
I have a feeling they’re going to be extra sought after once this company falls apart.
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### Author:  [@LinksLegionaire](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LinksLegionaire)
#### Post date: [October 2, 2012, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/654 "2012-10-02T16:59:04Z")
> [@Davion](#):
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> where on facebook
You’re not allowed there…
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### Author:  [@Davion](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Davion)
#### Post date: [October 2, 2012, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/655 "2012-10-02T17:00:24Z")
oh thanks
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### Author:  [@G2\_Jake](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/G2_Jake)
#### Post date: [October 2, 2012, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/656 "2012-10-02T17:04:32Z")
> [@Alex Fairhurst](#):
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> Everyone better hold on to their VsNYYC’s.
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> I have a feeling they’re going to be extra sought after once this company falls apart.
I feel it should be the opposite. If the bad new Is true. Why would you want to collect something that supported this type of action.
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### Author:  [@Davion](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Davion)
#### Post date: [October 2, 2012, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/657 "2012-10-02T17:05:10Z")
Well they still play good
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### Author:  [@Coffelt](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Coffelt)
#### Post date: [October 2, 2012, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/658 "2012-10-02T17:07:58Z")
I think morning has come and gone.
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### Author:  [@Mikers](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mikers)
#### Post date: [October 2, 2012, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/659 "2012-10-02T17:13:52Z")
> [@Alex Fairhurst](#):
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> Everyone better hold on to their VsNYYC’s.
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> I have a feeling they’re going to be extra sought after once this company falls apart.
What, like everybody can’t wait to get their hands on B.I.O. stuff? If the news goes as we all expect, Vs. Newton will dissipate into nothingness, as it should be if Heath did this.
People clamoring over yoyos that came from a foul person who robbed cancer kids isn’t a good thing and I would be sad to see it happen.
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### Author:  [@AFairhurst](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AFairhurst)
#### Post date: [October 2, 2012, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/660 "2012-10-02T17:21:47Z")
> [@G2\_Jake](#):
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> > [@Alex Fairhurst](#):
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> > Everyone better hold on to their VsNYYC’s.
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> > I have a feeling they’re going to be extra sought after once this company falls apart.
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> I feel it should be the opposite. If the bad new Is true. Why would you want to collect something that supported this type of action.
You have a good point, and maybe I’m wrong. But I think that regardless of what Heath did people are still going to want VsNYYC. Mostly because of what Davion said, they play good. Also, they’re already rare people are going to go nuts once they find out they’re never going to be made again.
Hey, I have a great idea!
Why don’t we, as a community, organize our own fundraiser. People can sell off their VsNYYC’s and give the money they made to a well trusted community member who will then donate said funds to the ACS. This way people will be able to enjoy they’re precious sought after yoyos and still sleep at night. Knowing they have been absolved of all sin through a community organized fundraiser. This may be a large task to take on, but I think it’s doable.
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