# Vs. Newton YoYo Concepts: Andrew Maider wins MA States!
**URL:** https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991
**Category:** Up & Coming Manufacturers
**Created:** [November 18, 2010, 2:11am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991 "2010-11-18T02:11:35Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@CLYW\_T3V3](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/CLYW_T3V3)
#### Post date: [September 17, 2012, 3:22am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/581 "2012-09-17T03:22:14Z")
Hope everything’s going well! I thought vs could use a little bump post 🙂
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### Author:  [@jwil425](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/jwil425)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2012, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/582 "2012-09-24T16:50:01Z")
Im interested in seeing how much this auction made and were the money is going. Those skywalkers sold (I bought the perfume cloud) should have half the profit going so that should be a decent chunk of change. Hopefully we figure it out soon cause its been a while. Hope all is well. Kinda weird that everybody has been left in the dark this long though
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### Author:  [@RandyJ](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/RandyJ)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2012, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/583 "2012-09-24T19:31:45Z")
> [@jwil425](#):
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> Im interested in seeing how much this auction made and were the money is going. Those skywalkers sold (I bought the perfume cloud) should have half the profit going so that should be a decent chunk of change. Hopefully we figure it out soon cause its been a while. Hope all is well. Kinda weird that everybody has been left in the dark this long though
I don’t mean to be rude here, but the benefiting charity wasn’t specified beforehand? I’m surprised people bid on a charity auction without the benefiting charity being specified in advance. The word ‘charity’ applies to a whole lot of organizations, and I’m pretty particular about which I support.
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### Author:  [@vegabomb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/vegabomb)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2012, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/584 "2012-09-24T19:56:12Z")
> [@rsj](#):
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> > [@jwil425](#):
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> > Im interested in seeing how much this auction made and were the money is going. Those skywalkers sold (I bought the perfume cloud) should have half the profit going so that should be a decent chunk of change. Hopefully we figure it out soon cause its been a while. Hope all is well. Kinda weird that everybody has been left in the dark this long though
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> I don’t mean to be rude here, but the benefiting charity wasn’t specified beforehand? I’m surprised people bid on a charity auction without the benefiting charity being specified in advance. The word ‘charity’ applies to a whole lot of organizations, and I’m pretty particular about which I support.
It’s cancer. Most likely The American Cancer Society but I’m not certain.
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### Author:  [@jrodriguez](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/jrodriguez)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2012, 9:30pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/585 "2012-09-24T21:30:50Z")
I got an email about this from someone yesterday - it was the 2 year anniversary from the date the Vs. Newton For the Works Charity thread was posted. With all due respect, Heath, I really do hate to be the one to do this, but the yoyo community has waited too long for this to come to a conclusion and I think this should be handled publicly.
Below is the contents of that email. I’ve edited out the name of the person who wrote it - this isn’t about them. And neither is it necessarily about whether the claims this person makes are all 100% accurate. The issue is that this needs to be taken care and it is utterly unacceptable and ridiculous that this has gone on for this long.
The email:
Hello,
Today is the 2 year anniversary of “The Works” charity auctions.
You are receiving this e-mail either because you bought a yo-yo from Heath Vizier as part of his “The Works” charity auction series or because you provided a yo-yo to be anodized and sold in one of these auctions.
According to my records, Heath has collected at least $3300 (after deducting eBay fees) from these auctions, but there is no evidence that any of this money has gone to charity. When he was recently asked to show a donation receipt from the American Cancer Society, he claimed that ACS would give him a "combined receipt for 2011 and 2012. This is simply untrue. ACS gives out receipts at the time of donation.
As far as I can tell, Heath hasn’t donated a single dollar to charity.
He has a history of making up excuses and failing to honor his word.
If this is true, and none of the money has gone to charity, I think it’s unfair that (1) Heath pocketed the money and (2) that he can continue profiting from VsNYYC. I need your help to figure out what’s going. By myself, I’m just one guy complaining. But together, we can pressure him to show good proof that the money has gone to charity – or we can put an end to this farce.
I’d like you to do two things:
(1) Please contact Heath directly and request to see a copy of his ACS donation receipt. This receipt will include the dollar figure donated because it is used by people to write off their charitable contributions when they do their taxes.
[hvizier@cs.com](mailto:hvizier@cs.com)
> **[Heath Vizier](https://www.facebook.com/heath.vizier)**
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> Heath Vizier is on Facebook. Join Facebook to connect with Heath Vizier and others you may know. Facebook gives people the power to share and makes the world more open and connected.
(2) Please post publicly in this thread:
> **[Vs. Newton YoYo Concepts: Andrew Maider wins MA States!](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/forums/index.php/topic,22737.570.html)**
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> no more talk of releases and color ways until they happen i never do color ways twice though
and request that Heath show the ACS donation receipt. Why has it taken 2 years?
I don’t enjoy doing this. It’s ugly. I don’t have anything personally against Heath. But I think it’s bad for the yo-yo community to allow this kind of behavior to continue, and seeing VsNYYC yo-yos sell out while Heath makes excuses and lies about donation receipts – that just butterfly me off.
Timeline:
9/23/2010 Heath creates the Works charity thread
1/31/2011 Heath says yo-yos are sent to the anodizer
1/31/2011 Claims hedgehog had cancer/surgery.
8/2/2011 Heath says the auctions will be delayed until after WYYC 2011
11/9/2011 Heath says he will post the yo-yos on eBay on the 11/10/2012: “The Works “works” yoyos are going on eBay. its really the best way to make sure it gets done at this point. i will start posting them tomorrow night and continue until they are all up”
12/3/2011 Babbylonian says, “So Heath, just wondering, that moonwalker I won several months ago, will I ever be able to purchase it? If not, it’s cool. I’ll just wait until you’re not so busy and you’re making more yoyos.”
12/4/2011 claims $615 raised pre-auctions
1/31/2012 Second Skywalker Release
7/20/2012 Heath ships Mitch Leake’s yo-yos from December 2011 auction. Claims he was waiting 7 months to see if Mitch also wanted to buy a SADR.
8/14/2012 Heath posts additional works colored yo-yos in the name of charity. They eventually sell for $1130
8/16/2012 Heath claims on the phone that ACS will give him one combined receipt for all charitable donations in the past 2 years…
8/27/2012 SkyWalkers and other VsNYYC releases go on sale at YYE.
9/1/2012 claims he needs to relist $311 modded yo-yos, even though $311 is the second highest bid… so at least 2 people bid that high. he never mentions 2nd chancing the items to the second highest bidder.
10/1/2012 Claims hurricane Isaac preventing him from showing receipt
Forum Threads:
[http://www.yoyonation.com/talk/index.php/topic,85554.300.html](http://www.yoyonation.com/talk/index.php/topic,85554.300.html)
> **[Vs. Newton YoYo Concepts: Andrew Maider wins MA States!](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/forums/index.php/topic,22737.540.html)**
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> if youre asking if we plan to release a run of raw yoyos that vibe if you dont tune them, no, we dont plan to. the Flying Hut proto run is the reason you prototype. the machine shop had issues, and the issues have been corrected. 🙂
[http://www.yoyonation.com/talk/index.php/topic,77769.0.html](http://www.yoyonation.com/talk/index.php/topic,77769.0.html)
[http://www.yoyonation.com/talk/index.php?topic=77769.4600](http://www.yoyonation.com/talk/index.php?topic=77769.4600)
Yo-Yo Sales:
VsNYYC Sky Walker Hubstacked by Chris Rice, donated by VsNYYC (250$) 250
FHZ Hubstacked by Chris Rice (pending payment. may be reposted)
Werrd XXXXL donated by Beau (125$) 125
Dert donated by oldyoyoguy (150$) 150
Sakura donated by ILYY (135$) 135
VsNYYC Hubstacked Battosai donated by VsNYYC modded by Chris Rice (140$) 140
VsNYYC Moon Walker donated by VsNYYC (400$) 400
IKYO Agape donated by VsNYYC and IKYO (still going) 56
STYY Bandit donated by STYY (100$) 100
One Drop 54 (still going) 152
anonymous donations by the community: 90$ 90
essence, 212
avalanche, 227
50% orcas away moonwaker, 129
50% magma rocks 134
bbyy wedgie pair 108.50 108
works steamroller 86 86
ministar 188.50 188
kickside and fhz 311 311
hubstacked y factor 54 54
alph 37 37
cross bones 56 56
tank 56 56
supernova 63 63
superstar 56 56
yuuksta 54 54
monster 61 61
barebones, 58
perfume cloud skywalker 50% 113
cp3 moonwalker 50% 108
phi 67
kannarke kukulcan 63
singularity 56
bandit 64
quark 52
remnant 2 62
$4073 (need to subtract $311 for the auction where the buyer didn’t pay and another $400ish for eBay fees)
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### Author:  [@Leco\_Clarkson](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Leco_Clarkson)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2012, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/586 "2012-09-24T21:41:00Z")
Jesus Christ, I hope this isn’t true Heath is a great yoyo maker and this would completey destroy Vsnyyc reputation.
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### Author:  [@NathanC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/NathanC)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2012, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/587 "2012-09-24T23:12:00Z")
Shouldn’t surprise anyone one bit who’s followed Heath over the last year or two. If anyone else pulled the stuff he’s pulled they would have been banned from the forums long ago.
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### Author:  [@jwil425](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/jwil425)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2012, 12:35am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/588 "2012-09-25T00:35:58Z")
> [@rsj](#):
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> > [@jwil425](#):
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> > Im interested in seeing how much this auction made and were the money is going. Those skywalkers sold (I bought the perfume cloud) should have half the profit going so that should be a decent chunk of change. Hopefully we figure it out soon cause its been a while. Hope all is well. Kinda weird that everybody has been left in the dark this long though
>
> I don’t mean to be rude here, but the benefiting charity wasn’t specified beforehand? I’m surprised people bid on a charity auction without the benefiting charity being specified in advance. The word ‘charity’ applies to a whole lot of organizations, and I’m pretty particular about which I support.
^^ I didn’t buy the yoyo because I fell victim to the add I bought it because I wanted the 1 of 1 perfume cloud skywalker. It made it a little less sickening to pay 312 dollars for a yoyo knowing that half would go to the same charity. It wad stated on the auction it was for cancer along with other sites talking about the auction back in December when this part of it was going on. I did expect to have some kinda paperwork showing were it was going when I got the yoyo but I didn’t get anything but the yoyo. I still love it along with the rest of my skywalkers but it has kinda made me think of were it was going when I asked about it a few months later and the response I got was " the skywalkers weren’t a part of the charity auction and I decided last minute to donate half of those proceeds to the charity auction" whatever that ment outmeal still didn’t give me any idea of what was going on or proof of this ever happening
Personally I like Heath but have had mixed feelings in the business aspect. I thought this time was gonna be the turn around but he seems to have drifted off again and it sucks. I am a huge vsnyyc lover and collect skywalkers but the business side has not even came close to the other major companies who do exactly what they say when they say it with no excuse. Clyw for instance. If I have a question within a couple hours there is a answer from Chris himself and of he OS taking a break he tells people. Not cause he has to but because he cares enough not to leave people in the dark. I really hope things work out and there is a reason for all this. However if all this money didn’t go to a cancer research charity that is totally wrong. Its starting to smell fishy judging by the last posts. I have came to deal with the delays and wrong drop dates. If it says it will drop in September I bank on October but that’s one thing. This is much worse and I hope there is a explanation for it and fast. People bid these yoyos up so high because of the promise of where the money was going and people donated because of the reason behind it. This whole situation sucks
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### Author:  [@jwil425](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/jwil425)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2012, 12:51am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/589 "2012-09-25T00:51:16Z")
^^and the perfume cloud was 215 looking back to it not 3 something. Still a decent chuck of change and I wanted to clarify that I did ask for proof months back and didn’t get any and the subject was dropped. All I want is proof. Sucka it comes to this but come on. That’s super low of it hasn’t been donated. Hopefully Heath is just careless not someone playing on the generosity of this community.
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### Author:  [@yoyoavenger](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyoavenger)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2012, 1:02am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/590 "2012-09-25T01:02:11Z")
This is no isolated incident as others have stated. There have been other issues as well, like not shipping yoyos out that have been paid for.
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### Author:  [@jwil425](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/jwil425)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2012, 2:19am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/591 "2012-09-25T02:19:16Z")
Ya I know it hasn’t but it seemed like things were going better and he said he was making amends for the failure to ship on time with those peoples yoyos along with a free bad apple and belt buckle. Besides that he was posting a lot seemed to have the ball rolling for future releases and ran that contest …which has not came to a conclusion and a lot of people worked hard on. Heath was pretty bad at getting back to people but then it stopped and he was responding to people and because of my issues in the past he gave me a good deal on a banana d bearing skywalker which was nice but he seems to of vanished again ☹
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### Author:  [@Qozux](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Qozux)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2012, 2:35am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/592 "2012-09-25T02:35:57Z")
For Heath’s sake I hope he sent the money to the charity.
People tend to do a lot of jail time for raising money under the guise of a charitable organization.
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### Author:  [@Mattylightning](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mattylightning)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2012, 2:49am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/593 "2012-09-25T02:49:12Z")
congrats to Andrew Maider on his win at MA states!
[ ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAXmz2ap7j4)
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### Author:  [@jwil425](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/jwil425)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2012, 4:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/594 "2012-09-25T16:07:37Z")
Good job Andrew 🙂 what yoyo was used?
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### Author:  [@da5id](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/da5id)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2012, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/595 "2012-09-25T17:27:25Z")
As a donor, I too would like to see this come to a resolution. It’s not that hard. If the money was donated, a receipt can be obtained.
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### Author:  [@vegabomb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/vegabomb)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2012, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/596 "2012-09-25T18:00:22Z")
> [@da5id](#):
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> As a donor, I too would like to see this come to a resolution. It’s not that hard. If the money was donated, a receipt can be obtained.
I donated as well and feel the same. This has gone on far too long.
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### Author:  [@jwil425](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/jwil425)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2012, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/597 "2012-09-25T18:37:19Z")
> [@vegabomb](#):
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> > [@da5id](#):
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> > As a donor, I too would like to see this come to a resolution. It’s not that hard. If the money was donated, a receipt can be obtained.
>
> I donated as well and feel the same. This has gone on far too long.
Me to 🙂 hopefully it got donated but also I think the people who donated should get a certificate for it. Doesn’t have to be super fancy it could just be a print out paper saying what it was for what was raised and signed by Heath. I could of swore the auction said that there would be something saying that. Yes the skywalkers weren’t originally part of it but they eventually were and they should have some paperwork to. Hopefully answers will come soon cause the silence is weird. I still love vsnyyc though but this is a pretty ugly situation
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### Author:  [@HVizier](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/HVizier)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2012, 8:55pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/598 "2012-09-25T20:55:15Z")
kk guys, i understand this as gone on too long and has become a matter of concern for most of you. here is whats on my end
i am currently looking for the receipt for the 1st set of yoyos (as you all know, these were done in 2 sets)
the 4073 is correct in total, and the receipts shall prove that and then some added from myself and family.
i PROMISE this will be done ASAP. all of you whom personally know me know that i would NEVER in my entire life rob a community of money, much less a charity. i havent done anything like this prior to this, and was unprepared for it nearly entirely, turning my good idea into a horrible hodgepodge of problems.
i am cool with giving my # to some mods to check for updates and a head to head chat on the matter if they would like.
again, i am sorry. i assure you this will never happen again. my mistake for taking on a task without full knowledge of it.
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### Author:  [@jrodriguez](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/jrodriguez)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2012, 9:48pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/599 "2012-09-25T21:48:44Z")
Thanks for the reply, Heath. I think it makes sense for this to just be handled publicly.
Rather than making this an “as soon as possible” sort of deal, perhaps it would be helpful for you to publicly set a deadline by which you will have this taken care of? Both the receipt for the initial set of yoyos and also this new set.
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### Author:  [@jrodriguez](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/jrodriguez)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2012, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/600 "2012-09-25T23:08:55Z")
> [@HVizier](#):
>
> kk guys, i understand this as gone on too long and has become a matter of concern for most of you. here is whats on my end
>
> i am currently looking for the receipt for the 1st set of yoyos (as you all know, these were done in 2 sets)
>
> the 4073 is correct in total, and the receipts shall prove that and then some added from myself and family.
>
> i PROMISE this will be done ASAP. all of you whom personally know me know that i would NEVER in my entire life rob a community of money, much less a charity. i havent done anything like this prior to this, and was unprepared for it nearly entirely, turning my good idea into a horrible hodgepodge of problems.
>
> i am cool with giving my # to some mods to check for updates and a head to head chat on the matter if they would like.
>
> again, i am sorry. i assure you this will never happen again. my mistake for taking on a task without full knowledge of it.
I wasn’t going to go this route, but I’ve already had some people contact me with the same concern, so here it is.
Just to be clear - you’re claiming that,
1. You already made a donation.
2. You lost the receipt.
3. You never mentioned until now that you made said donation, nor did you think to post a picture of the receipt.
Is this correct?
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