# Vs. Newton YoYo Concepts: Andrew Maider wins MA States! **URL:** \ **Category:** Up & Coming Manufacturers\ **Created:** [November 18, 2010, 2:11am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991 "2010-11-18T02:11:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![HVizier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hvizier/32/48785_2.png) [@HVizier](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/HVizier)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2012, 3:09am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/541 "2012-08-07T03:09:01Z")
some of the cool pics we took at worlds. you will be seeing some of them again shortly :wink: ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/c/2/2/c2254534780a96aba2d886f98fdeecfa533e3ba1.jpeg) ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/d/1/8/d180294ed0576d5d95f3334258f154557cb48b3d.jpeg) my personal favorite titled “wiggle arm” ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/8/7/d/87d0d70ae4b005fa0d8deda168026ac975e359ae.jpeg) and VsNYYC 2012 ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/4/8/0/480e8ba0e221d1096d611e09c4a8777aa5d0cdf8.jpeg) …lastly, here is one of yours truly showing you how its done ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/b/a/a/baa8ee8718680dcdca77419d9c97533e6faf9140.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![YourBBQ](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yourbbq/32/7926_2.png) [@YourBBQ](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YourBBQ)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2012, 3:10am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/542 "2012-08-07T03:10:08Z")
dang, NICE BEARD MAN!!! ---
**Author:** ![Davion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f07891/32.png) [@Davion](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Davion)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2012, 5:00am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/543 "2012-08-07T05:00:54Z")
Heath is the retro also going to be at yye? and how much is the retro? ---
**Author:** ![AndyCandy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d2c977/32.png) [@AndyCandy](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AndyCandy)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2012, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/544 "2012-08-07T10:37:44Z")
Subscribing! I love vsnyyc yoyos ;D ---
**Author:** ![MattB](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mattb/32/14529_2.png) [@MattB](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MattB)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2012, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/545 "2012-08-07T21:23:29Z")
Love the Abbey Road shot. ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 6:58am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/546 "2012-08-08T06:58:27Z")
If you want more Ti-Walkers: [http://www.facebook.com/heath.vizier/posts/506714916009731](http://www.facebook.com/heath.vizier/posts/506714916009731) If he gets 200 likes, it looks like it may become a reality! ---
**Author:** ![BIG\_NIC](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/big_nic/32/813_2.png) [@BIG\_NIC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/BIG_NIC)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/547 "2012-08-08T16:31:02Z")
> [@Studio42](#): > > If you want more Ti-Walkers: > > [http://www.facebook.com/heath.vizier/posts/506714916009731](http://www.facebook.com/heath.vizier/posts/506714916009731) > > If he gets 200 likes, it looks like it may become a reality! A great yoyo but… Would be sad if Heath did a second run after he promised the first run would be the only run to the throwers/collectors that got one  :-\ ---
**Author:** ![HVizier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hvizier/32/48785_2.png) [@HVizier](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/HVizier)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/548 "2012-08-08T16:40:57Z")
> [@BIG NIC](#): > > > [@Studio42](#): > > > > If you want more Ti-Walkers: > > > > [http://www.facebook.com/heath.vizier/posts/506714916009731](http://www.facebook.com/heath.vizier/posts/506714916009731) > > > > If he gets 200 likes, it looks like it may become a reality! > > A great yoyo but… > Would be sad if Heath did a second run after he promised the first run would be the only run to the throwers/collectors that got one  :-\ i know, right? i never intended to make more ever. even if i do this time, they will be slightly different, and definitely not numbered or lasered. im still on the fence about as a whole. these factors are pro Ti Walker thus far -at least 1 email a day asking for more (since they sold out over a year ago.) -my team needing more to compete (they each have only 1, and testers have beaten the crap out of them) and the cons -i said i wouldnt do them again (a big con. easily outweighs most pros) -another 200$+ yoyo from VsNYYC i think 200 likes is pretty hard to meet within reasonable time, and i dont intend to keep the status up long. i was more testing the waters on the idea rather than setting it in stone (as the post states) ---
**Author:** ![BIG\_NIC](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/big_nic/32/813_2.png) [@BIG\_NIC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/BIG_NIC)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/549 "2012-08-08T16:51:18Z")
> [@HVizier](#): > > i know, right? > > i never intended to make more ever. even if i do this time, they will be slightly different, and definitely not numbered or lasered. > > im still on the fence about as a whole. these factors are pro Ti Walker thus far > > -at least 1 email a day asking for more (since they sold out over a year ago.) > -my team needing more to compete (they each have only 1, and testers have beaten the crap out of them) > > and the cons > > -i said i wouldnt do them again (a big con. easily outweighs most pros) > -another 200$+ yoyo from VsNYYC > > i think 200 likes is pretty hard to meet within reasonable time, and i dont intend to keep the status up long. i was more testing the waters on the idea rather than setting it in stone (as the post states) I for one would be somewhat upset if there was a second run, tweaked slighty or not… numbered or not… I feel it would devalue the TiWalker’s that are already in existence! :-\ My TiWalker was something that was tough to get (…on the day’s it dropped at YYN and YYE… so much stress!! lol…) And I feel it should remain a tough to get yoyo…an elusive throw!! Why not make a completely different titanium yoyo? A new limited, elusive titanium VsNewton?! ---
**Author:** ![HVizier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hvizier/32/48785_2.png) [@HVizier](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/HVizier)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/550 "2012-08-08T16:54:03Z")
> [@BIG\_NIC](#): > > > [@HVizier](#): > > > > i know, right? > > > > i never intended to make more ever. even if i do this time, they will be slightly different, and definitely not numbered or lasered. > > > > im still on the fence about as a whole. these factors are pro Ti Walker thus far > > > > -at least 1 email a day asking for more (since they sold out over a year ago.) > > -my team needing more to compete (they each have only 1, and testers have beaten the crap out of them) > > > > and the cons > > > > -i said i wouldnt do them again (a big con. easily outweighs most pros) > > -another 200$+ yoyo from VsNYYC > > > > i think 200 likes is pretty hard to meet within reasonable time, and i dont intend to keep the status up long. i was more testing the waters on the idea rather than setting it in stone (as the post states) > > I for one would be somewhat upset if there was a second run, tweaked slighty or not… numbered or not… > I feel it would devalue the TiWalker’s that are already in existence! :-\ > > My TiWalker was something that was tough to get (…on the day’s it dropped at YYN and YYE… so much stress!! lol…) And I feel it should remain a tough to get yoyo…an elusive throw!! > > Why not make a completely different titanium yoyo? A new limited, elusive titanium VsNewton?! responded in the other thread to not have to keep chasing both hahaha ---
**Author:** ![HVizier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hvizier/32/48785_2.png) [@HVizier](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/HVizier)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2012, 4:59am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/551 "2012-08-10T04:59:40Z")
upon further questioning my designs for the Grievous (aka the Sky Walker v2), i am HEAVILY conflicted between two solid designs. Having them prototyped right after the Septopus leg #2 gets off of the machines. then the fun starts this might be the first time in nearly 2 years that VsNYYC will need testers. details once they get off the machine. fair warning: you will probably need to fill out some sort of application and prove your yoyo experience for this one ---
**Author:** ![DrAwesome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/drawesome/32/1139_2.png) [@DrAwesome](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/DrAwesome)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2012, 5:07am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/552 "2012-08-10T05:07:48Z")
will there ever be more battsoi’s? sorry if you’ve already answered this ---
**Author:** ![HVizier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hvizier/32/48785_2.png) [@HVizier](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/HVizier)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2012, 5:11am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/553 "2012-08-10T05:11:46Z")
> [@DrAwesome](#): > > will there ever be more battsoi’s? > sorry if you’ve already answered this more than likely not. there are 350 Battosais out in the market, which is more than any of our other designs by a good bit. we have a plan to revamp the design eventually, but not anytime soon (think 2014 earliest) ---
**Author:** ![Ronin\_Remnant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/59ef9b/32.png) [@Ronin\_Remnant](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Ronin_Remnant)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2012, 7:55pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/554 "2012-08-10T19:55:51Z")
I personally don’t mind if another run of Ti-walkers is released. I don’t really mind so much about the exclusivity of mine, I bought it for its play. I do realize others feel differently but if they had missed out on one and never been able to get one just by bad luck then this would be a good chance, the more the merrier. The only problem with it I think is that Heath said that he wouldn’t and I think if you do something like that then you shouldn’t go back on it. Maybe make enough for your team members? On a different note I think that vs. newton should give at least one store some spare parts for consumers as it would save a lot of time for those who lose things easily (uhh, yeah totally not me :-X) ---
**Author:** ![DrAwesome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/drawesome/32/1139_2.png) [@DrAwesome](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/DrAwesome)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2012, 8:12pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/555 "2012-08-10T20:12:49Z")
i love the names that you choose for your yoyos especially the new design Grievous that just sounds awesome ---
**Author:** ![Gizzyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gizzyo/32/191_2.png) [@Gizzyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Gizzyo)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2012, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/556 "2012-08-10T21:01:39Z")
> [@HVizier](#): > > upon further questioning my designs for the Grievous (aka the Sky Walker v2), i am HEAVILY conflicted between two solid designs. Having them prototyped right after the Septopus leg #2 gets off of the machines. then the fun starts > > this might be the first time in nearly 2 years that VsNYYC will need testers. details once they get off the machine. > > fair warning: you will probably need to fill out some sort of application and prove your yoyo experience for this one In what ways would you consider some to be qualified? ---
**Author:** ![HVizier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hvizier/32/48785_2.png) [@HVizier](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/HVizier)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2012, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/557 "2012-08-10T21:54:15Z")
im not 100% sure, but it will more than likely be to the tune of: -current experience and “mastered” play styles -VERY high feedback (since you wont be keeping them) -videos of your experience -previous reviews written stuff like that. before anyone gets butt hurt please understand that i am running a business and seeking realistic product data that will directly affect the success of the Grievous production run ---
**Author:** ![Gizzyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gizzyo/32/191_2.png) [@Gizzyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Gizzyo)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2012, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/558 "2012-08-10T22:01:01Z")
> [@HVizier](#): > > im not 100% sure, but it will more than likely be to the tune of: > > -current experience and “mastered” play styles > -VERY high feedback (since you wont be keeping them) > -videos of your experience > -previous reviews written > > stuff like that. before anyone gets butt hurt please understand that i am running a business and seeking realistic product data that will directly affect the success of the Grievous production run Haha, two more questions. What is considered HIGH feedback? Can you go on a whim having positive feedback from highly regarded traders? And lastly, when do you expect the grievous to go into testing? ---
**Author:** ![HVizier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hvizier/32/48785_2.png) [@HVizier](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/HVizier)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2012, 7:05am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/559 "2012-08-12T07:05:36Z")
24 hour warning 🙂 the last of the works “works” charity yoyos are going up on eBay monday!!! (finally, i know) ---
**Author:** ![Qozux](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/ee7513/32.png) [@Qozux](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Qozux)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2012, 8:51am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/560 "2012-08-12T08:51:52Z")
> [@HVizier](#): > > 24 hour warning 🙂 > > the last of the works “works” charity yoyos are going up on eBay monday!!! (finally, i know) That’s incredibly exciting. Can’t wait to watch that bidding war. [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991.md?page=27) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991.md?page=29)