# Vs. Newton YoYo Concepts: Andrew Maider wins MA States!
**URL:** https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991
**Category:** Up & Coming Manufacturers
**Created:** [November 18, 2010, 2:11am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991 "2010-11-18T02:11:35Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@HVizier](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/HVizier)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2011, 1:31am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/221 "2011-02-03T01:31:08Z")
thanks man.
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### Author:  [@DG1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/DG1)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2011, 3:35am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/222 "2011-02-03T03:35:07Z")
So, do you have any thoughts on whether you’re just sticking w/ numbering, or are you doing art for engravings?
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### Author:  [@HVizier](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/HVizier)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2011, 3:48am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/223 "2011-02-03T03:48:33Z")
ill probably just do numbering. i dont want to take away from the designs natural elegance with potentially tacky lasering.
the eneal and Ti pair together in a way that i just dont want to mess with
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### Author:  [@DG1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/DG1)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2011, 4:00am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/224 "2011-02-03T04:00:19Z")
> [@HVizier](#):
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> ill probably just do numbering. i dont want to take away from the designs natural elegance with potentially tacky lasering.
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> the eneal and Ti pair together in a way that i just dont want to mess with
I see 🙂
I’m liking the looks. Never thought Ti looked so good :wink: Especially w/ a VsNYYC taste.
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### Author:  [@DG1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/DG1)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2011, 4:16am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/225 "2011-02-03T04:16:15Z")
One more question, out of curiosity, why did you decide to make the rims thinner width-wise? Just a random thought 🙂
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### Author:  [@HVizier](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/HVizier)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2011, 4:21am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/226 "2011-02-03T04:21:06Z")
> [@DG1](#):
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> One more question, out of curiosity, why did you decide to make the rims thinner width-wise? Just a random thought 🙂
do you know the density and properties of Ti?
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### Author:  [@DG1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/DG1)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2011, 4:27am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/227 "2011-02-03T04:27:55Z")
> [@HVizier](#):
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> > [@DG1](#):
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> > One more question, out of curiosity, why did you decide to make the rims thinner width-wise? Just a random thought 🙂
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> do you know the density and properties of Ti?
Yeah, I’ve messed with it in SW as well. Again, just curious :wink:
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### Author:  [@Skip](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Skip)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2011, 4:54am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/228 "2011-02-03T04:54:19Z")
> [@DG1](#):
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> > [@HVizier](#):
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> > > One more question, out of curiosity, why did you decide to make the rims thinner width-wise? Just a random thought 🙂
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> > do you know the density and properties of Ti?
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> Yeah, I’ve messed with it in SW as well. Again, just curious :wink:
Sorry to Jump in Heath, but I’d say… Weight.
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### Author:  [@HVizier](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/HVizier)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2011, 5:05am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/229 "2011-02-03T05:05:26Z")
> [@Skip](#):
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> > [@DG1](#):
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> > > [@HVizier](#):
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> > > > One more question, out of curiosity, why did you decide to make the rims thinner width-wise? Just a random thought 🙂
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> > > do you know the density and properties of Ti?
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> > Yeah, I’ve messed with it in SW as well. Again, just curious :wink:
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> Sorry to Jump in Heath, but I’d say… Weight.
no need to apologize Skip. i just felt the answer was obvious. especially from someone who claims to know so much… 😛
Werrd and VsNYYC should do a collab. you know, im just sayin’ ;D
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### Author:  [@Mattylightning](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mattylightning)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2011, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/230 "2011-02-03T18:27:50Z")
> [@HVizier](#):
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> > [@Skip](#):
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> > > > > One more question, out of curiosity, why did you decide to make the rims thinner width-wise? Just a random thought 🙂
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> > > > do you know the density and properties of Ti?
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> > > Yeah, I’ve messed with it in SW as well. Again, just curious :wink:
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> > Sorry to Jump in Heath, but I’d say… Weight.
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> no need to apologize Skip. i just felt the answer was obvious. especially from someone who claims to know so much… 😛
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> Werrd and VsNYYC should do a collab. you know, im just sayin’ ;D
i like the idea of a werrd and VSNYC collab…it would be one of the coolest yoyos i have ever seen EVER hands down
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### Author:  [@DG1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/DG1)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2011, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/231 "2011-02-03T23:06:03Z")
> [@HVizier](#):
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> > > > > One more question, out of curiosity, why did you decide to make the rims thinner width-wise? Just a random thought 🙂
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> > > > do you know the density and properties of Ti?
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> > > Yeah, I’ve messed with it in SW as well. Again, just curious :wink:
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> > Sorry to Jump in Heath, but I’d say… Weight.
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> no need to apologize Skip. i just felt the answer was obvious. especially from someone who claims to know so much… 😛
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> Werrd and VsNYYC should do a collab. you know, im just sayin’ ;D
The answer is obvious to you, but I see a whole different way to go about the weight dilemma.
If I may:
“Titanium is around 6 to 8 times stronger than Al. this means weight where you want it design wise. walls can go crazy thin without losing durability.”
If you were willing to keep the same design, could you not make the walls thin where the rims would have been? For aesthetics?
That was the reason I asked the question. I was simply curious.
EDIT: Let me make that a bit clearer. If you were to adjust the rims to be the same once again, would it not make since that, if they were thin, it wouldn’t add a tremendous amount of weight, maybe 1 gram.
Not taking a shot at you or anything. As I said, curiosity gets the better of me.
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### Author:  [@CodyJam](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/CodyJam)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2011, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/232 "2011-02-03T23:07:45Z")
Iv tried one befor, They are Great! :wink:
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### Author:  [@andrewyoyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/andrewyoyo)
#### Post date: [February 4, 2011, 2:00am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/233 "2011-02-04T02:00:30Z")
Werrd and VsNYYC should do a collab. you know, im just sayin’ ;D
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That would be dope 🙂
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### Author:  [@CodyJam](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/CodyJam)
#### Post date: [February 4, 2011, 2:14am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/234 "2011-02-04T02:14:09Z")
> [@202andrew](#):
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> Werrd and VsNYYC should do a collab. you know, im just sayin’ ;D
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That would be dope 🙂
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Ehh, That would be Pretty Cool…
But I Really Think YYF and VsNYYC should do a Collab. :wink:
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### Author:  [@DG1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/DG1)
#### Post date: [February 4, 2011, 3:19am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/235 "2011-02-04T03:19:31Z")
I’d love to see a Turning Point x VsNYYC Collab.
Or Crucial x VsNYYC
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### Author:  [@HVizier](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/HVizier)
#### Post date: [February 4, 2011, 5:57am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/236 "2011-02-04T05:57:28Z")
> [@DG1](#):
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> > > > > > One more question, out of curiosity, why did you decide to make the rims thinner width-wise? Just a random thought 🙂
> > > > >
> > > > > do you know the density and properties of Ti?
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, I’ve messed with it in SW as well. Again, just curious :wink:
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> > > Sorry to Jump in Heath, but I’d say… Weight.
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> > no need to apologize Skip. i just felt the answer was obvious. especially from someone who claims to know so much… 😛
> >
> > Werrd and VsNYYC should do a collab. you know, im just sayin’ ;D
>
> The answer is obvious to you, but I see a whole different way to go about the weight dilemma.
>
> If I may:
> “Titanium is around 6 to 8 times stronger than Al. this means weight where you want it design wise. walls can go crazy thin without losing durability.”
>
> If you were willing to keep the same design, could you not make the walls thin where the rims would have been? For aesthetics?
>
> That was the reason I asked the question. I was simply curious.
>
> EDIT: Let me make that a bit clearer. If you were to adjust the rims to be the same once again, would it not make since that, if they were thin, it wouldn’t add a tremendous amount of weight, maybe 1 gram.
>
> Not taking a shot at you or anything. As I said, curiosity gets the better of me.
the new design also adds a usable IRG. the weight distribition is as close as what is reasonable for Ti while offering differences to the shape i thought were good. your first explanation statement is a direct copy and paste from something ive already said on this forum…
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### Author:  [@HVizier](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/HVizier)
#### Post date: [February 4, 2011, 6:00am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/237 "2011-02-04T06:00:08Z")
on a separate note, just tested out the first 10 Ti Walkers
super smooth with TIGHT bearing seats 🙂
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### Author:  [@DG1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/DG1)
#### Post date: [February 4, 2011, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/238 "2011-02-04T18:35:11Z")
> [@HVizier](#):
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> > [@DG1](#):
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> > > > > > [@HVizier](#):
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> > > > > > > [@DG1](#):
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> > > > > > > One more question, out of curiosity, why did you decide to make the rims thinner width-wise? Just a random thought 🙂
> > > > > >
> > > > > > do you know the density and properties of Ti?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah, I’ve messed with it in SW as well. Again, just curious :wink:
> > > >
> > > > Sorry to Jump in Heath, but I’d say… Weight.
> > >
> > > no need to apologize Skip. i just felt the answer was obvious. especially from someone who claims to know so much… 😛
> > >
> > > Werrd and VsNYYC should do a collab. you know, im just sayin’ ;D
> >
> > The answer is obvious to you, but I see a whole different way to go about the weight dilemma.
> >
> > If I may:
> > “Titanium is around 6 to 8 times stronger than Al. this means weight where you want it design wise. walls can go crazy thin without losing durability.”
> >
> > If you were willing to keep the same design, could you not make the walls thin where the rims would have been? For aesthetics?
> >
> > That was the reason I asked the question. I was simply curious.
> >
> > EDIT: Let me make that a bit clearer. If you were to adjust the rims to be the same once again, would it not make since that, if they were thin, it wouldn’t add a tremendous amount of weight, maybe 1 gram.
> >
> > Not taking a shot at you or anything. As I said, curiosity gets the better of me.
>
> the new design also adds a usable IRG. the weight distribition is as close as what is reasonable for Ti while offering differences to the shape i thought were good. your first explanation statement is a direct copy and paste from something ive already said on this forum…
That was the point. there was a reason it was in quotations.
Like I said, I’m loving the look. It was in no way a bash against you or your designs. I trust your judgement, but, again, curiosity gets the better of me.
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### Author:  [@cameron](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/cameron)
#### Post date: [February 6, 2011, 12:43am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/239 "2011-02-06T00:43:37Z")
> [@DG1](#):
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> > > > > > > > One more question, out of curiosity, why did you decide to make the rims thinner width-wise? Just a random thought 🙂
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > do you know the density and properties of Ti?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yeah, I’ve messed with it in SW as well. Again, just curious :wink:
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry to Jump in Heath, but I’d say… Weight.
> > > >
> > > > no need to apologize Skip. i just felt the answer was obvious. especially from someone who claims to know so much… 😛
> > > >
> > > > Werrd and VsNYYC should do a collab. you know, im just sayin’ ;D
> > >
> > > The answer is obvious to you, but I see a whole different way to go about the weight dilemma.
> > >
> > > If I may:
> > > “Titanium is around 6 to 8 times stronger than Al. this means weight where you want it design wise. walls can go crazy thin without losing durability.”
> > >
> > > If you were willing to keep the same design, could you not make the walls thin where the rims would have been? For aesthetics?
> > >
> > > That was the reason I asked the question. I was simply curious.
> > >
> > > EDIT: Let me make that a bit clearer. If you were to adjust the rims to be the same once again, would it not make since that, if they were thin, it wouldn’t add a tremendous amount of weight, maybe 1 gram.
> > >
> > > Not taking a shot at you or anything. As I said, curiosity gets the better of me.
> >
> > the new design also adds a usable IRG. the weight distribition is as close as what is reasonable for Ti while offering differences to the shape i thought were good. your first explanation statement is a direct copy and paste from something ive already said on this forum…
>
> That was the point. there was a reason it was in quotations.
>
> Like I said, I’m loving the look. It was in no way a bash against you or your designs. I trust your judgement, but, again, curiosity gets the better of me.
From my experiences, explanations just dig you into a deeper hole making people think your trying to starts something so just… shhhh… lololol.
VsNYYW x General Yo.
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### Author:  [@EvanW](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/EvanW)
#### Post date: [February 6, 2011, 1:06am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts-andrew-maider-wins-ma-states/20991/240 "2011-02-06T01:06:22Z")
vsNYYC x General-Yo FTW
can’t wait for it
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