# Vs. Newton Charity Issues **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [October 3, 2012, 12:34am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-charity-issues/43516 "2012-10-03T00:34:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![dryoyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/dryoyo/32/39_2.png) [@dryoyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/dryoyo)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 1:56am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-charity-issues/43516/21 "2012-10-03T01:56:37Z")
The more I look back the more upset I get. The fact that his apology contained another lie (stating this was the second payment) infuriates me. I promoted this event. I contacted Heath when this whole thing started up and asked him for any information and hoped it was a misunderstanding. Worse yet, this will cast skepticism to any legit charity drives within the community in the future. I am so disappointed. I lost my mother to cancer. My Grandfather had complications with heart- disease that were not treatable because of cancer. I have had two close calls with cancer. I was striving for this charity drive… Sorry, I don’t mean to rant. I am just disappointed and upset ---
**Author:** ![stookie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/stookie/32/1071_2.png) [@stookie](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stookie)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 1:59am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-charity-issues/43516/22 "2012-10-03T01:59:19Z")
What I just don’t get about this is why. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I was reserving judgement despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary because of this. 3 grand? I mean, geez. For some of you younger folks that probably seems like a fortune but 3 grand is…I’ve got more than 3 grand just in yoyos and I’m not rich. Why you would ever run a scam, or ever decide to scam, for this amount of money is totally baffling to me. And then the more obvious problem, you knew you were never just going to get away with it. There are thousands of people involved. It just doesn’t add up. I feel like there has to be more twists and turns to the story. ---
**Author:** ![yoyomaverick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyomaverick/32/641_2.png) [@yoyomaverick](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyomaverick)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 2:36am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-charity-issues/43516/23 "2012-10-03T02:36:29Z")
> [@stookie](#): > > What I just don’t get about this is why. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I was reserving judgement despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary because of this. > > 3 grand? I mean, geez. For some of you younger folks that probably seems like a fortune but 3 grand is…I’ve got more than 3 grand just in yoyos and I’m not rich. Why you would ever run a scam, or ever decide to scam, for this amount of money is totally baffling to me. And then the more obvious problem, you knew you were never just going to get away with it. There are thousands of people involved. > > It just doesn’t add up. I feel like there has to be more twists and turns to the story. You kinda answered that in It’s self. 3 grand isn’t a lot. Only a child would think it is. It’s not worth it. He’s just immature. That’s why he’d do it. ---
**Author:** ![unklesteve](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/unklesteve/32/106934_2.png) [@unklesteve](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/unklesteve)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 2:37am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-charity-issues/43516/24 "2012-10-03T02:37:00Z")
> [@stookie](#): > > It just doesn’t add up. I feel like there has to be more twists and turns to the story. Nope. Just good old fashioned human greed and stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![Trevorvor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/trevorvor/32/27920_2.png) [@Trevorvor](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Trevorvor)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 2:50am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-charity-issues/43516/25 "2012-10-03T02:50:43Z")
I find it interesting how much of this resembles the B.I.O. scandal. That being said, this is much MUCH more severe. Sad day :C ---
**Author:** ![juliang22](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/juliang22/32/939_2.png) [@juliang22](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/juliang22)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 2:54am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-charity-issues/43516/26 "2012-10-03T02:54:39Z")
i know this comment has nothing to do with vsnyyc but in the other thread someone made a comment saying there was a recrev scandal. what exactly happened with tthat? ---
**Author:** ![yoyospirit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyospirit/32/219875_2.png) [@yoyospirit](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyospirit)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 3:11am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-charity-issues/43516/27 "2012-10-03T03:11:26Z")
The RecRev scandal dates a few years back. I can’t even put into words how disappointed I am by this. Even if I wasn’t apart of the charity, something like this happening is still very disappointing. Heath is one of the nicest people I’ve ever met. Which only disappoints me more. ---
**Author:** ![caribouchris](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/caribouchris/32/102_2.png) [@caribouchris](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/caribouchris)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 3:13am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-charity-issues/43516/28 "2012-10-03T03:13:35Z")
Digging for emails with Heath and found this: > [@](#): > > Man this is soooo rad 🙂 > > I can definitely get you something. The only thing I have other than a raw Gnarwhal is a campfire. I will check at home … I might have something else. But I think a campfire is all I’ve got. > > Man this is so great 🙂 > > My mom was very lucky, last summer they found a tumor on her at a very early stage and had it removed quite early. The surgery went very well and she made a full recovery. Before the sergery we had a our first family vacation in almost 18 years … it was very memorable moment for us. > > Chris I want to throw up. ---
**Author:** ![caribouchris](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/caribouchris/32/102_2.png) [@caribouchris](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/caribouchris)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 3:22am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-charity-issues/43516/29 "2012-10-03T03:22:41Z")
Screen shot … so not cool. So so not cool. ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/8/b/a/8ba3e7a0654e26c6d31af5b28386ae357ad1c514.png) ---
**Author:** ![baerinatux](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c68b51/32.png) [@baerinatux](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/baerinatux)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 3:41am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-charity-issues/43516/30 "2012-10-03T03:41:53Z")
> [@caribouchris](#): > > Screen shot … so not cool. So so not cool. Wow… This whole situation has really made me speechless. All this evidence all coming to light at once is a whole lot to take in and process. I want this to be felt with properly, but I can’t wait til it’s done and resolved so this community can move forward. ---
**Author:** ![juliang22](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/juliang22/32/939_2.png) [@juliang22](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/juliang22)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 3:51am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-charity-issues/43516/32 "2012-10-03T03:51:18Z")
as much as i really really really want to see that, i dont think it would help this situation other than get some anger out. what really would help would be to sell the yoyo and donate the proceeds to cancer charity. on the other hand sledgehammer… well i know youlle do the right thing. ---
**Author:** ![yuki\_onitsura](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yuki_onitsura/32/1162_2.png) [@yuki\_onitsura](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yuki_onitsura)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 3:51am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-charity-issues/43516/33 "2012-10-03T03:51:52Z")
I strongly urge you not to just smash it with a sledgehammer. Despite all the bad press VSNYYC have been getting, it’s still a highly sought after throw and you could do a lot of good for a charity by auctioning it off. Also, for future charity drive sort of things, one way to prevent something like this happening again is to just have the winner of the throw donate the money directly to charity and then show the receipt to the current holder of the auction item before it’s shipped off. Not foolproof by any means, but this way at least the charity gets their money. Yuki ---
**Author:** ![jeffreypang911](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jeffreypang911/32/192496_2.png) [@jeffreypang911](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/jeffreypang911)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 3:55am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-charity-issues/43516/34 "2012-10-03T03:55:10Z")
I never like to get involved with these sort of things… But man is this situation wrong. Makes me angry inside that someone would have it in them to do such a thing. \>:( ---
**Author:** ![shabibo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6f9a4e/32.png) [@shabibo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/shabibo)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 3:58am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-charity-issues/43516/35 "2012-10-03T03:58:33Z")
Im not going to smash it, though it is tempting. I might sell it. As of now I’ll simmer. ---
**Author:** ![Nemyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nemyo/32/14407_2.png) [@Nemyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Nemyo)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 4:02am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-charity-issues/43516/36 "2012-10-03T04:02:26Z")
This is horrible. The only word I can use to describe it. And what exactly was the RecRev scandal? ---
**Author:** ![stookie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/stookie/32/1071_2.png) [@stookie](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stookie)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 4:07am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-charity-issues/43516/37 "2012-10-03T04:07:57Z")
> [@Nemyo](#): > > And what exactly was the RecRev scandal? Pretty much just the classic private sale scamming. Yoyos paid for but not sent or sent in much worse condition than advertised. That it happened to be the owner of recrev made it more newsworthy. ---
**Author:** ![Trevorvor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/trevorvor/32/27920_2.png) [@Trevorvor](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Trevorvor)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 4:11am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-charity-issues/43516/38 "2012-10-03T04:11:45Z")
> [@stookie](#): > > > [@Nemyo](#): > > > > And what exactly was the RecRev scandal? > > Pretty much just the classic private sale scamming. Yoyos paid for but not sent or sent in much worse condition than advertised. That it happened to be the owner of recrev made it more newsworthy. Well, that is kind of it in a nutshell. It was a much more complex situation. Perhaps a separate thread should be started for those who are curious about what happened? ---
**Author:** ![stookie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/stookie/32/1071_2.png) [@stookie](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stookie)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 4:12am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-charity-issues/43516/39 "2012-10-03T04:12:48Z")
> [@Trevorvor](#): > > > [@stookie](#): > > > > > [@Nemyo](#): > > > > > > And what exactly was the RecRev scandal? > > > > Pretty much just the classic private sale scamming. Yoyos paid for but not sent or sent in much worse condition than advertised. That it happened to be the owner of recrev made it more newsworthy. > > Well, that is kind of it in a nutshell. It was a much more complex situation. Perhaps a separate thread should be started for those who are curious about what happened? Yeah, I just didn’t think it really required a whole thing. If you really want there are records of the whole deal on that other site, but it’ll take a while to get through everything. Basically, bad trading, no communication, scamming. I guess the only interesting bit is that recrev as a brand was created specifically because his (Alex Kim) reputation was so bad under his original name B.I.O. The first recrev throw was called the “BadRep” for a reason. ---
**Author:** ![Trevorvor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/trevorvor/32/27920_2.png) [@Trevorvor](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Trevorvor)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 4:17am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-charity-issues/43516/40 "2012-10-03T04:17:42Z")
Yes, a quick search for Alex Kim on the “other” forum should give plenty of information on the B.I.O./RecRev ordeal. For now, let’s keep this discussion geared toward Vs. Newton issues. ---
**Author:** ![SteveB327](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@SteveB327](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SteveB327)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 4:41am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-charity-issues/43516/41 "2012-10-03T04:41:32Z")
> [@Steve Brown](#): > > I’ve lost more friends and family to cancer than I care to count. > > This is absolutely unforgivable, Heath. The next time we hear from you should be to post a picture of a receipt for $3k. > > After that, don’t ever show your face again. This. Thank you Steve very well said. [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-charity-issues/43516.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vs-newton-charity-issues/43516.md?page=3)