# Unpopular Yoyo Opinions **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [December 23, 2018, 5:37am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554 "2018-12-23T05:37:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![smileypants707](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/smileypants707/32/19045_2.png) [@smileypants707](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/smileypants707)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 4:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/122 "2018-12-27T16:07:12Z")
> [@Rosenberg](#): > > A bunch of people being wrong in the same fashion doesn’t rewrite the history books. But… that’s exactly what writes a history book… That _is_ the history… ---
**Author:** ![smileypants707](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/smileypants707/32/19045_2.png) [@smileypants707](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/smileypants707)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/123 "2018-12-27T16:10:18Z")
This is the same debate surrounding string torsion vs. string tension. _Everyone_ calls it string tension, when technically they’re referring to string torsion. ---
**Author:** ![anon19434144](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ccd318/32.png) [@anon19434144](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon19434144)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/124 "2018-12-27T16:10:40Z")
History is written by the victors, not the defeated. You are correct. ---
**Author:** ![anon19434144](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ccd318/32.png) [@anon19434144](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon19434144)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/125 "2018-12-27T16:12:39Z")
I’ve been hearing tension and seeing it in yoyo books since 2015! Torsion is correct. Now I’m wondering if I got into the wrong hobby. ---
**Author:** ![Rosenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rosenberg/32/20465_2.png) [@Rosenberg](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Rosenberg)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/126 "2018-12-27T16:31:08Z")
Wait, so you are literally saying that the creator of the yo-yo is incorrect in choosing the naming of his own yo-yo? ---
**Author:** ![Rosenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rosenberg/32/20465_2.png) [@Rosenberg](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Rosenberg)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/127 "2018-12-27T16:33:51Z")
I’m not following you guys… at all. In one post, the internet is correct in renaming the signature model of a yo-yo legend. Then in another post, following the exact opposite logic, you agree that calling string torsion by it’s appropriate name if correct even though the internet says otherwise? ---
**Author:** ![smileypants707](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/smileypants707/32/19045_2.png) [@smileypants707](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/smileypants707)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/128 "2018-12-27T16:36:38Z")
No, that’s not what I’m suggesting at all. What I’m suggesting is that the history of this yoyo shows that the majority of people know it as the MMC. There’s a difference between the origin of something and the history of language progression. It’s just like the string torsion argument, just because people call it string tension doesn’t mean it’s right, but can we do about it? Are we really going to change the mindset of hundreds, maybe even thousands of people? And is it really worth it? That’s the history it has ---
**Author:** ![andy569](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/andy569/32/1256_2.png) [@andy569](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/andy569)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/129 "2018-12-27T16:38:20Z")
I don’t think Rosenberg is trying to do something about it, he’s just stating FACTUALLY the markmont Classic is shortened MN, because the creator of the yoyo itself says it’s shortened MN. I agree with Rosen, just because a bunch of people are wrong doesn’t make it right. “History is written by the victors, not the defeated. You are correct.” So since a bunch of people abbreviate MMN, they are the victors instead of the man who created the yoyo? :thinking: ---
**Author:** ![smileypants707](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/smileypants707/32/19045_2.png) [@smileypants707](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/smileypants707)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/130 "2018-12-27T16:39:28Z")
Well, I do too. I think it’s absurd not to agree with that. But it is what it is, and it just seems technical and petty by this point. Just like the string torsion versus tension thing. ---
**Author:** ![Rosenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rosenberg/32/20465_2.png) [@Rosenberg](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Rosenberg)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/131 "2018-12-27T16:39:46Z")
Again, people are wrong in calling it tension. There is no debate. Sometimes people are just wrong. It is what it is. ---
**Author:** ![Rosenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rosenberg/32/20465_2.png) [@Rosenberg](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Rosenberg)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/132 "2018-12-27T16:42:14Z")
Yes, exactly. I know it’ll never change. But that doesn’t mean I’m going to forget what I know. Just because some people don’t understand the difference between “your” and “you’re” doesn’t mean I’m going to start using garbage grammar ---
**Author:** ![smileypants707](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/smileypants707/32/19045_2.png) [@smileypants707](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/smileypants707)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/133 "2018-12-27T16:47:07Z")
Well if we’re going to get super technical about it, it was never actually marketed as the MC or MMC. It was marketed as the Markmont Classic. ---
**Author:** ![Rosenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rosenberg/32/20465_2.png) [@Rosenberg](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Rosenberg)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/134 "2018-12-27T16:51:50Z")
You are correct, it doesn’t have the engraving like the MN (probably because after 2 other models Mark knew people couldn’t keep it straight anyway) but I remember a thread where Mark was asked how it was shortened and MC was his reply. There could be other references but that’s the one I recall ---
**Author:** ![anon19434144](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ccd318/32.png) [@anon19434144](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon19434144)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/135 "2018-12-27T16:53:19Z")
I was only referring to the tension thing. Sorry. If a yoyo is labeled something, that’s what it is. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/136 "2018-12-27T17:51:07Z")
This is the Internet. The old principles of correct spelling and grammar are rapidly becoming obsolete. Communication has become a process of translating each individual’s semi-literate orthography into its intended meaning. Without a single recognized authority for jargon, slang, and abbreviations to turn to, newcomers get to play the really fun game of wading through a jungle of confusion as similar terms (e.g., MMC vs. MC) compete for some kind of officialness. And even when a credible authority is offered (such as Mark himself), the legitimacy of that authority is dismissed as less relevant than the overwhelming power of the body public who had nothing to do with the design of the yoyo but nevertheless feel entitled to name it their way. We should never forget that in our culture/society, _consumers_ rule supreme in all things, not designers/producers/creators. ---
**Author:** ![anon19434144](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ccd318/32.png) [@anon19434144](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon19434144)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/137 "2018-12-27T17:52:54Z")
🤝 ---
**Author:** ![yofanatic05](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yofanatic05/32/35770_2.png) [@yofanatic05](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yofanatic05)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/138 "2018-12-27T19:10:31Z")
I’m starting to think that this thread’s name should be changed from “_Unpopular Yoyo Opinions_” to “_Controversial Yoyo Opinions_” :thinking: ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_the\_yoyo\_boy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/evan_the_yoyo_boy/32/65657_2.png) [@Evan\_the\_yoyo\_boy](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Evan_the_yoyo_boy)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 8:13pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/139 "2018-12-27T20:13:51Z")
> [@Rosenberg](#): > > “your” and “you’re” What’s the difference between your and you’re? ---
**Author:** ![anon19434144](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ccd318/32.png) [@anon19434144](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon19434144)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/140 "2018-12-27T20:17:07Z")
Your indicates possession. Your yoyo. Your dog. You’re is a contraction: you are. You are going to work. You are a yoyo fanatic. Big pet peeve of mine. ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_the\_yoyo\_boy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/evan_the_yoyo_boy/32/65657_2.png) [@Evan\_the\_yoyo\_boy](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Evan_the_yoyo_boy)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/141 "2018-12-27T20:18:15Z")
Oh I thought they meant the same thing lol. [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554.md?page=8)