# Unpopular Yoyo Opinions **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [December 23, 2018, 5:37am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554 "2018-12-23T05:37:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 64
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1336 "2019-10-16T18:38:40Z")
> [@Damb](#): > > FOMO I fully admit that FOMO was probably the primary reason I picked up the TiVayder. ---
**Author:** ![stevejspins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@stevejspins](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stevejspins)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 6:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1337 "2019-10-16T18:56:38Z")
The orgin of the term FOMO has an interesting history, and is traced to an article written at Harvard as I found out. I think it applies to relationships as well. ---
**Author:** ![PCaliyoyos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/pcaliyoyos/32/108396_2.png) [@PCaliyoyos](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/PCaliyoyos)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 10:24pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1338 "2019-10-16T22:24:19Z")
Might Flea?? ---
**Author:** ![Durfee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/durfee/32/593280_2.png) [@Durfee](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Durfee)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1339 "2019-10-16T23:18:49Z")
Less yo-yo and more BST: Charging people extra for the goods and services fee is wack. Like I just sold a yo-yo for 70 and the fee was like 2.33. If you can’t eat that small of a percentage to ensure that your buyer feels more comfortable with the transaction then how can you afford to buy yo-yos in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![Rosenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rosenberg/32/20465_2.png) [@Rosenberg](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Rosenberg)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 11:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1340 "2019-10-16T23:28:39Z")
What’s particularly annoying is when it isn’t mentioned prior to agreeing on a deal that you’re expected to cover the fees, and then they try to flip it on you like you’re the cheapskate. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1341 "2019-10-16T23:29:25Z")
> [@Durfee](#): > > If you can’t eat that small of a percentage to ensure that your buyer feels more comfortable with the transaction I wonder if some sellers take an affront to G&S, a sort of implied “What, you don’t trust me?” indignation. ---
**Author:** ![Durfee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/durfee/32/593280_2.png) [@Durfee](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Durfee)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 11:42pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1342 "2019-10-16T23:42:57Z")
I wouldn’t expect anyone over the Internet to trust me without a solid history of a bunch of deals and even then if I’m the buyer I’d still feel more comfortable with G+S. There have been too many instances of people seeming like solid dudes and then just bouncing with multiple people’s payments or yo-yos. This happened on the old forums and and I’ve read a couple feedback threads here about similar situations. ---
**Author:** ![MarkD](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/markd/32/40845_2.png) [@MarkD](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MarkD)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 12:04am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1343 "2019-10-17T00:04:04Z")
> [@Durfee](#): > > There have been too many instances of people seeming like solid dudes and then just bouncing with multiple people’s payments or yo-yos. This can even happen if they ARE good people. Like, if their phone takes a dump or they lose their email account somehow. ---
**Author:** ![Rosenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rosenberg/32/20465_2.png) [@Rosenberg](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Rosenberg)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 12:08am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1344 "2019-10-17T00:08:16Z")
Maybe a little too generous. Lose an email account? ---
**Author:** ![French](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/french/32/70748_2.png) [@French](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/French)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 12:10am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1345 "2019-10-17T00:10:35Z")
Nothing unpopular about this opinion (at least to me). I don’t want to sell aside from G&S, gives buyer and seller some peace of mind. ---
**Author:** ![MarkD](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/markd/32/40845_2.png) [@MarkD](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MarkD)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1346 "2019-10-17T00:38:21Z")
Have you ever had an account hacked? Anyhow, my point was that you should almost always use G&S. Because even someone with good intentions and good trade feedback can miss sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![Damb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/damb/32/44045_2.png) [@Damb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Damb)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 12:39am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1347 "2019-10-17T00:39:35Z")
2.9% is light - if you’re buying anything I think the buyer should always cover the fees Shipping and handling is already time consuming (if you want to do it right) I think the buyer can at least bite the bullet and cover the fees, c’mon man! ---
**Author:** ![shatterFX](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/shatterfx/32/66476_2.png) [@shatterFX](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/shatterFX)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 12:41am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1348 "2019-10-17T00:41:27Z")
> [@Durfee](#): > > Charging people extra for the goods and services fee is wack I feel this - I started out doing this because I had experienced it when purchasing (which I did multiple times before ever selling on here), but now my prices on stuff include shipping and fees; what you see is what you pay. ---
**Author:** ![Durfee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/durfee/32/593280_2.png) [@Durfee](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Durfee)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 1:43am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1349 "2019-10-17T01:43:25Z")
PayPal charges the seller the fees for a reason. They aren’t charging the buyer, so why should you be entitled to charge them? And like you said 2.9% isn’t much, which I also said in my comment. So if it’s not a big deal why charge the person buying your yo-yo extra? ---
**Author:** ![Damb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/damb/32/44045_2.png) [@Damb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Damb)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 3:09am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1350 "2019-10-17T03:09:24Z")
Either way you put it…both parties would rather not pay the _no big deal fee_ Personally? I’ve always paid 2.9% on my transactions - I’d rather not lose out on a deal because of 2.9% - whenever I sell my stuff I expect the buyer to do the same…if not, the sale doesn’t go through - And I would never send someone I don’t know money through friends and family, just doesn’t make sense. Agree to disagree homie - this exact discussion has happened many-a-time on this forum already @yoyodoc had a good write-up about this, I don’t remember what thread it was on ---
**Author:** ![Durfee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/durfee/32/593280_2.png) [@Durfee](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Durfee)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 3:46am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1351 "2019-10-17T03:46:06Z")
At the very least (and I still think it’s not a good look) people need to include the fee in their price and not be like “oh you’re not doing f&f, that’ll be three extra dollars.” At that point you’re just not posting the actual price for your item. PayPal clearly doesn’t think you should be making the buyer pay fees: “No surcharges You agree that you will not impose a surcharge or any other fee for accepting PayPal as a payment method.“ So sure we can agree to disagree but only one of us would not be abiding by terms of service. ---
**Author:** ![Damb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/damb/32/44045_2.png) [@Damb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Damb)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 4:00am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1352 "2019-10-17T04:00:45Z")
All of my listings have included that discrepancy in the product description - never an _oh and by the way_ midway through PM Either way, my feedback has always been S rank for years on multiple platforms with this rhetoric Tomato, toemato 🍅🍅 ---
**Author:** ![Durfee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/durfee/32/593280_2.png) [@Durfee](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Durfee)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 4:05am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1353 "2019-10-17T04:05:49Z")
And charging 75 for a yo-yo you’d otherwise sell for 70 is cool. But explicitly stating “I’m charging you extra for the fee” is what I take issue with. Just price the yo-yo higher and everyone is happy. Hannah Montana and Miley Cyrus present Best of Both Worlds. ---
**Author:** ![SirDarverok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9e5f3/32.png) [@SirDarverok](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SirDarverok)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 6:41am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1354 "2019-10-17T06:41:01Z")
The problem with g&s is that if I buyed from you I could claim my money and I would probably recover it even if the yoyo had gotten to me perfectly. I wouldn’t feel comfortable selling g&s because of that ---
**Author:** ![French](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/french/32/70748_2.png) [@French](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/French)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1355 "2019-10-17T10:52:11Z")
The flip side to that coin is if you buy F&F, the seller can say thank you, never ship the yoyo, and say “I guess the yoyo was lost in the mail”. When I sell G&S, I ship through PayPal, which gives a tracking number. USPS knows package weight. I also record video of the process of putting the yoyo in the box and putting the label on. If someone claims the box arrived without what they paid for, I have some evidence. However, if a buyer feels the need to go to lengths to scam the system by lying about not getting what they bought from me, I just pity them for having no moral compass. A couple of years ago, I was going to buy a b-grade direct from a smaller company. The price was good. The guy I was dealing with left for vacation, the co-owner asked me to send money F&F. I told him it was inappropriate for a business to ask for F&F. He said G&S was fine if I covered fee. 100% not appropriate for a company run by adults. I decided at that time they don’t deserve my business. [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554.md?page=63) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554.md?page=65)