# Unpopular Yoyo Opinions **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [December 23, 2018, 5:37am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554 "2018-12-23T05:37:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![TheHelveticaScenario](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/thehelveticascenario/32/61632_2.png) [@TheHelveticaScenario](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TheHelveticaScenario)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1135 "2019-08-19T09:00:15Z")
I second this… I just bought the MagicYoyo Avocado for a measly $11. In addition to soul, mine has charm, pluck, and _ **the steely determination of Washington crossing the Delaware** _. How’s _that_ for ambiguous, intangible yo-yo characteristics‽ But seriously, I think it would be an entertaining experiment to put yet unreleased, unbranded yo-yos into people’s hands without giving them any details about the manufacturer and ask them to guess the MSRP. I think our current notions of high-end and low-end would be largely blurred. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 9:21am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1136 "2019-08-19T09:21:58Z")
Sounds like Smiley’s Avocado has $4 more soul than yours. ---
**Author:** ![MarkD](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/markd/32/40845_2.png) [@MarkD](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MarkD)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 12:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1137 "2019-08-19T12:43:03Z")
Mine had discount soul. Ten bux. ---
**Author:** ![EOS44](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/eos44/32/47059_2.png) [@EOS44](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/EOS44)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1138 "2019-08-19T16:38:08Z")
I mostly agree with this. IMO yoyos do have different feels cause by different combinations of speed, stability, material, response, etc., but “soul”, or “lack of soul”, “boring”, “uninsteresting” are just dumb adjectives to give a thing that is composed by factors you can measure. ---
**Author:** ![Durfee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/durfee/32/593280_2.png) [@Durfee](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Durfee)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1139 "2019-08-19T16:43:46Z")
I just think they’re such subjective terms that even if they weren’t meaningless in the context of describing a yo-yo they’d still be useless. One person might think super stable rim weighted yo-yos are boring while another might say the same about light center weighted speedy yo-yos. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1140 "2019-08-19T17:31:08Z")
It is the same problem that wine critics (and aficionados) face. Our vocabulary is insufficient to describe the variety of flavors/sensations/whatever that we experience. So we speak in metaphors, like describing a wine as having a “woody” or “floral” quality, or describing a yoyo or guitar as having “soul” or “personality”. All of this is just the inability to otherwise convey a highly subjective and personal experience. The fact that readers/listeners can only, at best, try to imagine the experience being expressed, and is really of little practical use to anyone, doesn’t stop people from engaging in the struggle anyway. ---
**Author:** ![MoosaK](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/moosak/32/116955_2.png) [@MoosaK](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MoosaK)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1141 "2019-08-19T18:14:13Z")
Yes but it’s entirely subjective though. It’s your experience, so it should not affect other people’s perspectives. The problem is that some people say a yoyo feels good because someone told them it does, or because that justifies the price. I’ve only tried one high end organic and I really liked how it felt. But that doesn’t mean that it’s a better yoyo than an N11 Quite frankly, there is no reason why an organic yoyo over 100 feels better than an N11. It’s all subjective. If you handed a random person an N11 and an expensive organic, I doubt they could tell you which is better. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1142 "2019-08-19T18:17:29Z")
Yeah, I agree that it’s all subjective. But why, then, share such a subjective experience if it isn’t intended to potentially benefit the reader somehow? Is it just for the satisfaction of reading back what you wrote (like hearing yourself talk)? ---
**Author:** ![Durfee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/durfee/32/593280_2.png) [@Durfee](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Durfee)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1143 "2019-08-19T18:22:45Z")
If we’re talking YouTube reviews, promoting a product in exchange for getting that product for free seems to be a good motivation. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1144 "2019-08-19T18:25:18Z")
I was primarily referring to posts in forums like this one. I figured MoosaK was too. ---
**Author:** ![MoosaK](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/moosak/32/116955_2.png) [@MoosaK](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MoosaK)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1145 "2019-08-19T18:43:23Z")
You share it because it’s your opinion, your personal choice, and you want to spread that to others. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1146 "2019-08-19T18:44:38Z")
I know, but philosophically speaking, why spread it to others? If the fact is that the experience is so subjective that, as you say: “It’s your experience, so it should not affect other people’s perspectives.” What is the point/value of sharing it? ---
**Author:** ![vegabomb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/vegabomb/32/199_2.png) [@vegabomb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/vegabomb)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1147 "2019-08-19T18:48:27Z")
Well it’s like most anything you recommend isn’t it? Movies… a pool cue… hair shampoo… Why do people review things? Each person probably has their own reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Durfee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/durfee/32/593280_2.png) [@Durfee](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Durfee)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1148 "2019-08-19T19:06:38Z")
I think there are descriptions that are less subjective though, those are still valuable. Stability, weight, and speed among them. Especially if you can establish a standard of comparison among yo-yos first. Like, if someone reviews a yo-yo you think is a good weight, not too light and not too heavy and finds it too light, you can use that information in all of their other reviews to know where their preferences are and judge what they say about yo-yos accordingly. You also have to take into consideration their skill level. If someone is evaluating the speed or stability of a yo-yo but is at a more intermediate level I’m going to probably take their input with a grain of salt. So there’s still subjectivity there, but it can be useful regardless. Definitely more than “the yo-yo has a nice laid back feel to it.” ---
**Author:** ![MoosaK](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/moosak/32/116955_2.png) [@MoosaK](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MoosaK)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1149 "2019-08-19T19:13:24Z")
You share your opinions because you want to spread your preferences. But most preferences are much more quantifiable than the feel of a yoyo. In most of your experiences, you can interpret some things logically. If a movie is good, I can say I think so because the plot is good, or the characters are good, or maybe the graphics are good. I can say that I like certain yoyos because they are fast, or stable, or heavy. But how can I justify my claim that one aluminum yoyo “feels” better than another aluminum yoyo with the same shape and nearly identical weight. I can’t, because there is no logical connection there. You made it up in your head. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1150 "2019-08-19T19:17:24Z")
> [@Durfee](#): > > I think there are descriptions that are less subjective though, those are still valuable. Stability, weight, and speed among them. Especially if you can establish a standard of comparison among yo-yos first. True. But specs aren’t opinions, they are merely facts that could be conveyed by anyone, including the manufacturer and/or vendor if they are feeling helpful. There’s no need for useless metaphors there since we’re just talking about numeric measurements. The interesting point being made, I think, is that the moment you resort to the purely subjective metaphors, you’ve given up any chance you might of had of conveying useful information. You’re just waxing poetic at that point, which can be entertaining, but not terribly informative (in a purely practical sense). ---
**Author:** ![MoosaK](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/moosak/32/116955_2.png) [@MoosaK](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MoosaK)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 7:25pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1151 "2019-08-19T19:25:08Z")
> [@zslane](#): > > The interesting point being made, I think, is that the moment you resort to the purely subjective metaphors, you’ve given up any chance you might of had of conveying useful information. You’re just waxing poetic at that point, which can be entertaining, but not terribly informative (in a purely practical sense). This is what I meant ---
**Author:** ![andy569](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/andy569/32/1256_2.png) [@andy569](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/andy569)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1152 "2019-08-19T19:39:27Z")
Being “fun” and “chill” is what’s keeping organics going though :joy: If we take that away from them what are they ---
**Author:** ![Durfee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/durfee/32/593280_2.png) [@Durfee](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Durfee)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1153 "2019-08-19T19:42:51Z")
We just need to find some quantifiable way to express those qualities. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyJ](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/johnnyj/32/94616_2.png) [@JohnnyJ](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JohnnyJ)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554/1154 "2019-08-19T20:18:50Z")
Hey, don’t mess with my very fun, laid back, super chill, floaty, personality machine man 😤😤😤 [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554.md?page=53) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/unpopular-yoyo-opinions/296554.md?page=55)