# Undersized Throws **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [October 27, 2018, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331 "2018-10-27T16:53:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2018, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/41 "2018-11-02T18:34:21Z")
Fair enough. I guess I’m just not ready for an undersized throw at this time. Now, given that the trajectory of yoyo size seems to be ever upward, I’m thinking it might be wise to get one now before undersized yoyos (as we would define them today) become extinct. ---
**Author:** ![Rosenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rosenberg/32/20465_2.png) [@Rosenberg](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Rosenberg)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2018, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/42 "2018-11-02T19:54:21Z")
Sub 50mm diameter is your preference, or _referring_ to sub 50 yoyos as undersized is your preference? I didn’t realize the term had gotten so ambiguous, but I guess it’s been long enough since that era where people have come up with their own definitions ---
**Author:** ![Rosenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rosenberg/32/20465_2.png) [@Rosenberg](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Rosenberg)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2018, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/43 "2018-11-02T20:04:29Z")
They can be frustrating if you’ve never played with one but they are fun. The increase in size over the years gets talked about a lot but I don’t see much talk about how weights have gone the other way. Small yoyos weighing in at 68g gave a little more stability but they’d wear your hand by the end of a session like a rock on a string, so I was happy to see them diet down a little ---
**Author:** ![RidinSpinners](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/ridinspinners/32/40451_2.png) [@RidinSpinners](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/RidinSpinners)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2018, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/44 "2018-11-02T20:39:23Z")
Suffice to say I’m currently satisfied with what I have. A Deep State that @codinghorror can comment on being unresponsive-ish and a factory Deep State which is perfectly responsive. I started this topic when I didn’t have either and, now that I have both, the search is complete. The OD Deep State might be one of the most perfect throws I’ve had the pleasure of enjoying (in my limited experience). ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2018, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/45 "2018-11-02T20:46:15Z")
I have a number of slimline responsive yoyos. What I’ve learned during the process of acquiring them is that I am just not fond of responsive play. That makes these slimlines essentially useless to me, though I didn’t realize this would be the case at the time. I will probably keep the Deep State just because I love OD throws and it makes for a good collection piece. But when it comes to “undersize throws,” I would only be interested in undersized unresponsive throws that are just like normal 1A yoyos but shrunk down a bit in all dimensions (not just made absurdly skinny). ---
**Author:** ![mOonman\_V](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/moonman_v/32/39920_2.png) [@mOonman\_V](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mOonman_V)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2018, 9:14pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/46 "2018-11-02T21:14:32Z")
50 is as big as I like to go, but yes sub 50 is my preference, 37 to 44mm in dia. being the sweet spot. ---
**Author:** ![mOonman\_V](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/moonman_v/32/39920_2.png) [@mOonman\_V](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mOonman_V)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2018, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/47 "2018-11-02T22:02:53Z")
Responsive isn’t for everyone, I started with it so I am used to it. Wood is great though, I love the feel of it. ---
**Author:** ![Rosenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rosenberg/32/20465_2.png) [@Rosenberg](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Rosenberg)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2018, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/48 "2018-11-02T22:09:25Z")
Yeah fixed wood and responsive metal are two different animals. I don’t even consider them to have much in common other than the fact that neither requires a bind. ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2018, 11:27pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/49 "2018-11-02T23:27:45Z")
> [@mOonman\_V](#): > > Wood is great though, I love the feel of it Me too! No surprise there… ---
**Author:** ![smileypants707](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/smileypants707/32/19045_2.png) [@smileypants707](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/smileypants707)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2018, 2:21am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/50 "2018-11-03T02:21:18Z")
I have got, to get my hands on a Parlay. And/or Pickaxe. But definitely a Parlay. Looks so chill. ---
**Author:** ![mOonman\_V](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/moonman_v/32/39920_2.png) [@mOonman\_V](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mOonman_V)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2018, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/51 "2018-11-03T20:20:05Z")
Looks like you can shove some weight rings in the Pickaxe. ---
**Author:** ![Cannon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/919ad9/32.png) [@Cannon](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Cannon)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 5:13am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/52 "2018-11-07T05:13:09Z")
“You kinda can’t have a low center weight yoyo if hubstacks are involved.” Challenge accepted :+1: ---
**Author:** ![Theolodger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/theolodger/32/65462_2.png) [@Theolodger](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Theolodger)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 9:13am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/53 "2018-11-07T09:13:26Z")
Lol, is this to do with undersized throws??? ---
**Author:** ![slinging101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/slinging101/32/41111_2.png) [@slinging101](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/slinging101)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 12:11pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/54 "2018-11-07T12:11:24Z")
What about the heist that is pretty small and usable ---
**Author:** ![smittylube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@smittylube](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/smittylube)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/55 "2018-11-07T15:18:36Z")
My Hatrick is feeling undersized these days ---
**Author:** ![mOonman\_V](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/moonman_v/32/39920_2.png) [@mOonman\_V](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mOonman_V)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/56 "2018-11-07T16:26:41Z")
The Heist is nice, play is close to the St. Eel, very close. It can handle most tricks that you could do on a full-sized yo-yo with ease. ---
**Author:** ![slinging101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/slinging101/32/41111_2.png) [@slinging101](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/slinging101)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/57 "2018-11-07T22:50:45Z")
I actually want to get the heist although you could also just have any looping yoyo. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2018, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/58 "2018-11-11T22:50:58Z")
I’d like to see YoYoFactory re-release the PopStar, but about 10% bigger. ---
**Author:** ![MastarMash](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mastarmash/32/34119_2.png) [@MastarMash](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MastarMash)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2018, 11:09pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/59 "2018-11-11T23:09:07Z")
10% percent is a huge margin! You might want .5-1%. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2018, 1:56am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/60 "2018-11-12T01:56:52Z")
At a 10% increase, a 43mm diameter yoyo becomes roughly 47mm. A 32mm wide yoyo becomes roughly 35mm wide. Something around 45-47mm diameter and 32-33mm wide is roughly what we might call an 80% yoyo, which is what I think would be an interesting size to try. [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331.md?page=4)